How to divide the new Big 12
Re: How to divide the new Big 12
There were many reasons why I made the divisions (which does not exactly follow the east/west or north/south divisions) and 2 permanent cross-rivals (instead of 1).
1 As BIG-PAC-ACC alliance suggested that they are planning to play non-con games among themselves, we might not be able to find 2 P5 opponents. We might actually have to pair up with SEC to find a P5 opponent. Then, the idea is to play a CUSA/MAC opponent and one FCS opponent.
2. In my division, all schools play at least 2 Texas schools in football each year. This creates a balance that is also achievable by using a East/West division but that create another problem: too many new schools in a division. Ideally, divisions should have 2 texas schools in each and 2 new teams in each.
3. Also, using 2 cross-rivals make sure that a school always play schools that are "near by" (Impossible for UCF and BYU)!
4. I think the divisions are as balanced as can be achieved in both Football and Basketball.
5. We get to play KU in football and avoid playing them twice in basketball.
1 As BIG-PAC-ACC alliance suggested that they are planning to play non-con games among themselves, we might not be able to find 2 P5 opponents. We might actually have to pair up with SEC to find a P5 opponent. Then, the idea is to play a CUSA/MAC opponent and one FCS opponent.
2. In my division, all schools play at least 2 Texas schools in football each year. This creates a balance that is also achievable by using a East/West division but that create another problem: too many new schools in a division. Ideally, divisions should have 2 texas schools in each and 2 new teams in each.
3. Also, using 2 cross-rivals make sure that a school always play schools that are "near by" (Impossible for UCF and BYU)!
4. I think the divisions are as balanced as can be achieved in both Football and Basketball.
5. We get to play KU in football and avoid playing them twice in basketball.
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Old and New divisions places the biggest travel burden on teams in the New.
Still think if the expansion goes beyond 12 that Colorado State needs in: All those TVs east of the Mts.
Still think if the expansion goes beyond 12 that Colorado State needs in: All those TVs east of the Mts.
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adding csu with byu would put considerable pressure on the p12. for us, i just don't want to lose the k-state/isu/ku rivalries to divisional nonsense.
Why is there something rather than nothing?
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Are you suggesting going to 14 teams and add Colorado State and somebody like Boise State? I'm game if so.ToledoCat#3 wrote: ↑September 9th, 2021, 2:56 pmOld and New divisions places the biggest travel burden on teams in the New.
Still think if the expansion goes beyond 12 that Colorado State needs in: All those TVs east of the Mts.
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I just pointed out the travel disparity of the Old and New divisions.
I think the long-range potential for CSU is worth considering.
I think the long-range potential for CSU is worth considering.
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ACC/B1G/PAC may fill all their P4/5 OOC games from the Alliance, so we might be left with just the SEC. I would prefer teams from the Alliance for a few years.KITNooga wrote: ↑September 9th, 2021, 9:37 amriffing on that thought: working with PAC and ACC teams might be a good place to 'go'.CaptainEric37 wrote: ↑September 9th, 2021, 9:22 amHere's an option that splits the Texas schools.
Old School Division: BU, OSU, KU, KSU, ISU, TTU
New School Division: BYU, TCU, UH, UCF, WVU, UC
I agree with the 8 conference games (5 divisional, 3 cross division). Schedule a home and an away game every year with a P5 school (SEC?), and then two G4/5 games.
no need to support the B1G and hell's no to the SEC. speaking from my emotional place. might get regular armed services groups? navy, airforce? Notre Dame? in the rotation?
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OSU would pitch a royal fit with this alignment.PurpleWildcat wrote: ↑September 9th, 2021, 11:40 amI just saw a BYU youtube channel, The "MonteShow" and he was saying that his sources from BYU said that BYU and the Big12 have been talking since a month or two before Texas and Oklahoma announced that they were leaving. He also said that his sources said that the divisions will be:
West - TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech. Houston, Iowa State and BYU
East - Kansas State, KU, Oklahoma State, West Virginia, Central Florida and Cincinnati
Take that for what it's worth.
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Agreed. Old vs New was just an alignment for discussion. Travel for the "New" teams would be bad. It will be interesting how divisions are set. I could see this:ToledoCat#3 wrote: ↑September 9th, 2021, 2:56 pmOld and New divisions places the biggest travel burden on teams in the New.
Still think if the expansion goes beyond 12 that Colorado State needs in: All those TVs east of the Mts.
West: BYU, OSU, BU, TTU, TCU, UH
East: KU, KSU, ISU, WVU, UC, UCF
Personally, I would split the Texas teams, 2 in each division.
Yeah. May be move at least one texas school in the other pod.CaptainEric37 wrote: ↑September 9th, 2021, 5:13 pmAgreed. Old vs New was just an alignment for discussion. Travel for the "New" teams would be bad. It will be interesting how divisions are set. I could see this:ToledoCat#3 wrote: ↑September 9th, 2021, 2:56 pmOld and New divisions places the biggest travel burden on teams in the New.
Still think if the expansion goes beyond 12 that Colorado State needs in: All those TVs east of the Mts.
West: BYU, OSU, BU, TTU, TCU, UH
East: KU, KSU, ISU, WVU, UC, UCF
Personally, I would split the Texas teams, 2 in each division.