nit thread

[pulitzerdavid]

I rewatched the first half. Tylor Perry took 8 threes and every one of them except the last one to beat the half time buzzer was just as open as Sandfort's shots. Sandfort is 8 inches taller and both have a quick release. So Perry was probably more open. Your statement that Perry was suffocated by Iowa's defense is incorrect and shows you are not an objective observer.

No doubt in that game, Sandfort was a better shooter than Perry. And he is 20 for 40 in the last i4 games so he is on a roll.

Hard to see how Iowa ran better offense than KState when Kstate was 22 for 30 at the rim and Iowa made 18 two point shots total. If you like layups, K state's offense delivered.


So both teams played good on offense and bad on defense. Will Mcnair and DNG along with others fouled too much giving Iowa a big advantage in that area.

It is iowa had better three point shooters in this game. And got to the line more. Even low bbiq observers recognized that. Blame it on Tang not recruiting better shooters, or whatever you want.

Well here's the rub, Mr. Expert. I saw the game too, and my take is that little Perry was intimidated, rushing his shot because he had a bigger, stronger defender on him. You say he got open looks. That's hogwash. His "open looks" were hurried, with a taller defender racing towards him. And you say Sandfort is taller and that's why he was able to shoot over HIS defender. Well, no shit, Sherlock. That's the evolution of the game - bigger guys shooting from deep because it's harder to defend them. You see, the little guys under 6-feet are much easier to stop, which was done numerous times this season with Perry.

And you just didn't listen to me when I tried to explain how Iowa took advantage of KSU's second half face-guarding of Sandfort. I'm not going to repeat it here, so you'll have to go back and read it. Sandfort didn't care if he shot the ball in the second half ... that is until KSU lost him in the final minutes and he delivered the two 3's that took down Tang. He wasn't going to go chase shots like Kaluma, Perry and Carter do during a game, ignoring the awful consequences of that. Sandfort KNEW that the defense KSU tried on him in the second half would be a winning formula. KSU essentially took away a help defender, created a 4 on 4 game, which allowed Sandfort to help his teammates with ball screens, cuts and screens away from the ball, freeing up teammates especially Ben Krikke, who went wild in the second half, nearly matching Sandfort's first half scoring with his own 19 points. KSU couldn't switch on Sandfort screens, because they were so afraid of him getting open. Pick your poison General Tang. You got outcoached by a much smarter Fran McCaffrey - an experienced head coach who was anticipating your next move. CHECKMATE! GAME OVER! SEASON OVER! See ya!

[wild@nite]

The boomerang is back in full force.

[Gorhoops]

Not sure I agree with the "you got out-coached" stuff. Both teams pretty much scored at will, 91-82, neither team really stopped anything, and has been clearly pointed out, the difference was at the FT line and the 3 point line. They made more, they won.

It was going to be pretty difficult to stop much considering the teams had less than 48 hours to create a game plan, therefore both offenses were pretty efficient.

But not sure where Fran can be given credit for out-coaching anyone when his defense didn't really stop anyone either. His guys made more shots. The idea that they ran better offense was proven untrue by KSU shooting dang near 70% from 2 point range.

We adjusted at halftime to slow whatever that kids name was but yes, the Krikke kid shot it well in the second half.

But lets not give Fran too much credit, most of their fanbase want him gone because it is the same thing year after year. Go back and read the Iowa fan who posted the day of the game. They basically just shoot 3's and if they make them, they are tough to beat at home, but if they don't, they are not very good. Their own fan stated that on this very message board. They shot it well against us, they won. If the game was in Manhattan, we probably win.. Not that hard to understand.

But I would bet it would be hard to find anyone in the country that follows college hoops that would want Fran McCaffrey over Jerome Tang, but maybe I am wrong.

[spot2180]

I rewatched the first half. Tylor Perry took 8 threes and every one of them except the last one to beat the half time buzzer was just as open as Sandfort's shots. Sandfort is 8 inches taller and both have a quick release. So Perry was probably more open. Your statement that Perry was suffocated by Iowa's defense is incorrect and shows you are not an objective observer.

No doubt in that game, Sandfort was a better shooter than Perry. And he is 20 for 40 in the last i4 games so he is on a roll.

Hard to see how Iowa ran better offense than KState when Kstate was 22 for 30 at the rim and Iowa made 18 two point shots total. If you like layups, K state's offense delivered.


So both teams played good on offense and bad on defense. Will Mcnair and DNG along with others fouled too much giving Iowa a big advantage in that area.

It is iowa had better three point shooters in this game. And got to the line more. Even low bbiq observers recognized that. Blame it on Tang not recruiting better shooters, or whatever you want.

Well here's the rub, Mr. Expert. I saw the game too, and my take is that little Perry was intimidated, rushing his shot because he had a bigger, stronger defender on him. You say he got open looks. That's hogwash. His "open looks" were hurried, with a taller defender racing towards him. And you say Sandfort is taller and that's why he was able to shoot over HIS defender. Well, no shit, Sherlock. That's the evolution of the game - bigger guys shooting from deep because it's harder to defend them. You see, the little guys under 6-feet are much easier to stop, which was done numerous times this season with Perry.

And you just didn't listen to me when I tried to explain how Iowa took advantage of KSU's second half face-guarding of Sandfort. I'm not going to repeat it here, so you'll have to go back and read it. Sandfort didn't care if he shot the ball in the second half ... that is until KSU lost him in the final minutes and he delivered the two 3's that took down Tang. He wasn't going to go chase shots like Kaluma, Perry and Carter do during a game, ignoring the awful consequences of that. Sandfort KNEW that the defense KSU tried on him in the second half would be a winning formula. KSU essentially took away a help defender, created a 4 on 4 game, which allowed Sandfort to help his teammates with ball screens, cuts and screens away from the ball, freeing up teammates especially Ben Krikke, who went wild in the second half, nearly matching Sandfort's first half scoring with his own 19 points. KSU couldn't switch on Sandfort screens, because they were so afraid of him getting open. Pick your poison General Tang. You got outcoached by a much smarter Fran McCaffrey - an experienced head coach who was anticipating your next move. CHECKMATE! GAME OVER! SEASON OVER! See ya!

So someone here thinks he is a basketball expert, using 'Mr. Expert' to sneer and mock another poster. Hmmmm It begs the question, just how much coaching and game planning and recruiting and team building have you done, PulitzerDavid? I think we'd all like to hear this one.

[learnin]

Not sure I agree with the "you got out-coached" stuff. Both teams pretty much scored at will, 91-82, neither team really stopped anything, and has been clearly pointed out, the difference was at the FT line and the 3 point line. They made more, they won.

It was going to be pretty difficult to stop much considering the teams had less than 48 hours to create a game plan, therefore both offenses were pretty efficient.

But not sure where Fran can be given credit for out-coaching anyone when his defense didn't really stop anyone either. His guys made more shots. The idea that they ran better offense was proven untrue by KSU shooting dang near 70% from 2 point range.

We adjusted at halftime to slow whatever that kids name was but yes, the Krikke kid shot it well in the second half.

But lets not give Fran too much credit, most of their fanbase want him gone because it is the same thing year after year. Go back and read the Iowa fan who posted the day of the game. They basically just shoot 3's and if they make them, they are tough to beat at home, but if they don't, they are not very good. Their own fan stated that on this very message board. They shot it well against us, they won. If the game was in Manhattan, we probably win.. Not that hard to understand.

But I would bet it would be hard to find anyone in the country that follows college hoops that would want Fran McCaffrey over Jerome Tang, but maybe I am wrong.

I'm no basketball offensive guru but, just watching the game, Iowa's offensive play was more pleasing to my eye. I'm old school. I like to see teams work the ball around like clockwork instead of hand the ball to someone and tell them to make a play. Having said that, the beautiful, teamwork, offensive scheme is not going to win many championships in today's game. Bob Knight won championships with beautiful teamwork basketball, but those days are gone. The game is ugly and way too physical today. if someone boxes you out with fundamental basketball, you hack the crap out of him to knock the ball loose. If someone back doors you to get a nice lay in, using beautiful fundamental basketball, you trail him, bump him as you swat it off the back board 3 inches before it hits the backboard.

Over the last two years, I've seen the following. Spread the floor and let someone try to make a move to the bucket. Hope for a foul. If you get double teamed, try to hand it off to a big for a dunk. If you can't make it to the rim, and can't make the hand off, try to find a three-point shooter. The problem, with this scheme, is turnovers. The dribbling into traffic, and double teams, often leads to turnovers.

I'm sure there's not too many teams who would pull the trigger on McCaffrey in today's game, but I'm not sure there is a great many who would pull the trigger on Tang at this point.

[Snyder]

Thank goodness we have Tang and the past is the past. Reading a couple of people posting on here certainly makes me glad we are living in 2024 rather than the past. I wasn't around these boards during the Weber era, can only imagine this was not a fun place.

[stlcatfan]

I was getting ready to submit a post in response to Gorhoops thanking learnin for his civility, even though he and learnin had differences of opinion on some of our coaches. Unfortunately, the Reflections thread got locked as I hit the submit button. I basically wanted to put my two cents in to say the same. We may have a difference of opinion on Coach Tang, but I do appreciate learnin's civil posts.

[katlander]

I know learnin is a basketball guy first and foremost but hope he will join us from time to time on the other forums here. Especially women's basketball and baseball. Football too as the next 3 years could be a lot of fun. His insights add a lot to the discussion. PDave is a great poster but seems to get into it with other posters. Would love to have him if we can all agree to disagree at times.

[xtrawildcat]

Well here's the rub, Mr. Expert. I saw the game too, and my take is that little Perry was intimidated, rushing his shot because he had a bigger, stronger defender on him. You say he got open looks. That's hogwash. His "open looks" were hurried, with a taller defender racing towards him. And you say Sandfort is taller and that's why he was able to shoot over HIS defender. Well, no shit, Sherlock. That's the evolution of the game - bigger guys shooting from deep because it's harder to defend them. You see, the little guys under 6-feet are much easier to stop, which was done numerous times this season with Perry.

And you just didn't listen to me when I tried to explain how Iowa took advantage of KSU's second half face-guarding of Sandfort. I'm not going to repeat it here, so you'll have to go back and read it. Sandfort didn't care if he shot the ball in the second half ... that is until KSU lost him in the final minutes and he delivered the two 3's that took down Tang. He wasn't going to go chase shots like Kaluma, Perry and Carter do during a game, ignoring the awful consequences of that. Sandfort KNEW that the defense KSU tried on him in the second half would be a winning formula. KSU essentially took away a help defender, created a 4 on 4 game, which allowed Sandfort to help his teammates with ball screens, cuts and screens away from the ball, freeing up teammates especially Ben Krikke, who went wild in the second half, nearly matching Sandfort's first half scoring with his own 19 points. KSU couldn't switch on Sandfort screens, because they were so afraid of him getting open. Pick your poison General Tang. You got outcoached by a much smarter Fran McCaffrey - an experienced head coach who was anticipating your next move. CHECKMATE! GAME OVER! SEASON OVER! See ya!

So someone here thinks he is a basketball expert, using 'Mr. Expert' to sneer and mock another poster. Hmmmm It begs the question, just how much coaching and game planning and recruiting and team building have you done, PulitzerDavid? I think we'd all like to hear this one.

I rewarc
I rewatched the first half re playing each three point shot by the two players several times. You are simply wrong about how open each players shots were. Other than the last shot of the first half, they were very similar with a defender with a hand up closing out a little late on catch and shoot threes.
No step backs off dribble penetration. One shot after a shot fake where the defender flew by him leaving him open.

I will rewatch the second half in a day or two.

[spot2180]

So someone here thinks he is a basketball expert, using 'Mr. Expert' to sneer and mock another poster. Hmmmm It begs the question, just how much coaching and game planning and recruiting and team building have you done, PulitzerDavid? I think we'd all like to hear this one.

I rewarc
I rewatched the first half re playing each three point shot by the two players several times. You are simply wrong about how open each players shots were. Other than the last shot of the first half, they were very similar with a defender with a hand up closing out a little late on catch and shoot threes.
No step backs off dribble penetration. One shot after a shot fake where the defender flew by him leaving him open.

I will rewatch the second half in a day or two.

Just to clarify, xtra, my post was not directed at you.