I wondered when this would start

[learnin]

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... e-hostage/

[Bannor95]

The true thing is, ITS ALL TRUE. im sorry but this is HOW WE ARE perceived outside manhattan. only manhattan that are LOYAL to snyder WANT sean as HC. everyone else knows he doesnt deserve. im sorry, i love Bill Snyder but he needs to finally hang it up and quick trying to destroy what he built up. We have EVERYTHING in place. We return everyone on offense except a FB. We return probably better LB and have to replace Geary (which will be huge). the waters are calm and the talent is there for a new coach. its time to pass the torch onto someone other than Sean.

[NMcat]

This story seems a little harsh and based on a lot of innuendo and inexact fact finding, but, Snyder's compulsive secretive nature promotes this kind of speculation. We, the fans, deserve to know what's going on with the program, now and in the near future. That's the way things work in families…unless they are dysfunctional.

[ksustars754]

Dodd has always disliked KState, think he went to Mizzou? Anyways, I'm way more concerned with these stories piling up and things starting to get out of control than I am with the content. Dodd is a national writer and these stories look awful.

I'm imagining a scenario where Bill leaves post-bowl. Then some of these early recruits want out of their LOIs and we don't let them out. KState will be crucified nationally.

The handling of everything so far has been a trainwreck. It was a tumultuous season filled with tons of drama. And the post season now has not been any better. I'm having a hard time seeing how this ends well for Bill and KState.

[Jax]

This is a program that has never signed a five-star in its history. It typically exists on the sweat and backbone of three stars. In one ambivalent statement at the worst possible time, Snyder put doubt in the minds of any stars.

I was listening to the voice of the Sooners this morning which on Thursdays has the unofficial voice of the OSU Cowboys on for an hour. The discussion of how the early signing affected teams came up which prompts me to Dennis Dodd’s comment above.

If this program routinely went after 4-5 star recruits then I would agree, yesterday was a mess. But in Dodd’s own words and what we already know, this program typically goes after what could be argued as to whether they are even 3 star recruits. Not a slap against the talent since personally I think rating a kid that way is pure stupidity. Bill Snyder’s comments did not impede on yesterday’s early signing, since kids have known for years, if they are going to Manhattan solely to be coached by LHC Bill Snyder, then it was a gamble. Nothing was said yesterday that has not be said before on how and when he decides to retire.

On its best day, K-State football is not self-sustaining. It exists in a sparsely-populated state in one of the most remote locations in the game.

This comment by Dodd ties into the thread I created last week on knowing K-State and being a good fit. The football world is well aware of how difficult it is to recruit to Manhattan Kansas, and so should fans. Where the Bama’s Clemson’s and OU’s of the world generally reload, the majority of college football programs usually go through a rebuilding. Then there are programs like K-State that as stated, at best we struggle to remain self-sustained over more than a two year period. JMHO.

[MajorAppleCat]

Lot's of different agenda's being played, including Dennis Dodd's. Actually, his article is factually incorrect as well. HCBS has earned the right to pick his successor. .. even if it is Sean. I've lived through enough bad KState football. If Sean isn't the right fit, we would know it in a year or two.

Does anyone actually believe that Dennis Dodd is looking out for the bests interests of Kansas State football? Do you REALLY think he cares? If anything, he (as well as the KU fans on this board) fear Sean being as capable as HCBS.

[PurpleOnWhite]

Lot's of different agenda's being played, including Dennis Dodd's. Actually, his article is factually incorrect as well. HCBS has earned the right to pick his successor. .. even if it is Sean. I've lived through enough bad KState football. If Sean isn't the right fit, we would know it in a year or two.

Does anyone actually believe that Dennis Dodd is looking out for the bests interests of Kansas State football? Do you REALLY think he cares? If anything, he (as well as the KU fans on this board) fear Sean being as capable as HCBS.

BS has not earned any such thing. He is a football coach, plain and simple. If President Myers and AD GT believe as you do, KSU has hired the wrong leaders.

[hilltopwildcat]

Lot's of different agenda's being played, including Dennis Dodd's. Actually, his article is factually incorrect as well. HCBS has earned the right to pick his successor. .. even if it is Sean. I've lived through enough bad KState football. If Sean isn't the right fit, we would know it in a year or two.

Does anyone actually believe that Dennis Dodd is looking out for the bests interests of Kansas State football? Do you REALLY think he cares? If anything, he (as well as the KU fans on this board) fear Sean being as capable as HCBS.

Why WOULD Dennis Dodd care? J/A.

[Tbonespop]

Regarding our talent level, let me remind people that we played OU very tough this year and only lost to them by 7 points on a last minute touchdown, while we had a sophomore QB starting in his second game of his career. We played everyone tough except TCU. We have all seen some of the ridiculous coaching decisions and calls during that games and the rest of the season, so that tells me that we aren't just "coaching up" a bunch of untalented, hardworking kids to "be competitive". All those OU 4 and 5* players and they barely beat us, a team filled with 2 and 3* players, and coordinators who have half lost their minds. The bottom line is, WE HAVE TALENT on this team. It's evidenced by how close we were to winning many of the close games we lost to good opponents - not to mention beating OSU and ISU which are two pretty good teams. As far as attracting good talent - is little ole Manhattan that much different than Still water, OK or Lincoln, NE? Both are schools in sparsely populated states and aren't massive metropolis'. Both have geography with flat plains, limited trees, and cold ass winters. Manhattan is a quaint little college town in east-central KS. AA flies nonstop into Manhattan from DFW. It's not like these kids have to fly into MCI or WCT and drive 2 hours anymore. We have great facilities now and we are a very good school. The program has a strong reputation. There is simply no reason a good staff couldn't recruit to Manhattan - nada. To expect difficult recruiting is going in with a defeatist attitude and I refuse to believe it's that difficult. At some point, what were legitimate obstacles have become excuses for lack of performance. We aren't Texas, USC, or Bama, nor will we ever be. We don't need to be to be successful, we've proven that. We just need the right people in charge.

Now let me contrast that with a school like Oregon. While it's more green, it's no thriving metropolis either. In fact, most of the time it's pretty dreary up there. And there is a joke in the Pacific Northwest that the women up there get "OBD" - Oregon Butt Disease. I'll let you figure out what that means. Ya, they have Nike - BFD. Oregon just hired a new coach and filled it with (outside of Leavitt) with young outgoing recruiter type coaches with limited experience. People always say it's not about X's and O's, but it's jimmies and joes, that's not completely accurate. At some point, the players have to make plays and all the athleticism in the world won't help you if the players aren't in the right positions. X'sand O's are still very important - make no mistake. Oregon is a mess right now and without Leavitt, it would be a total trainwreck. But hey, they are having their best year of recruiting ever. I say we revisit this in 2 years - and I would love it if Leavitt were to leave because Oregon would really be screwed - he's the only coach that knows what they are doing. Point of all this - recruiting isn't everything and there's no reason we can't compete and win for elite recruits. And even then, it's not all about talent and recruiting rankings. Coaching still matters.

[MajorAppleCat]

Lot's of different agenda's being played, including Dennis Dodd's. Actually, his article is factually incorrect as well. HCBS has earned the right to pick his successor. .. even if it is Sean. I've lived through enough bad KState football. If Sean isn't the right fit, we would know it in a year or two.

Does anyone actually believe that Dennis Dodd is looking out for the bests interests of Kansas State football? Do you REALLY think he cares? If anything, he (as well as the KU fans on this board) fear Sean being as capable as HCBS.

BS has not earned any such thing. He is a football coach, plain and simple. If President Myers and AD GT believe as you do, KSU has hired the wrong leaders.

And you believe Gen. Myers or AD GT has as much knowledge on picking a successor as HCBS? REALLY? KU's AD Sheahon Zenger has more experience, maybe we should rely upon him.