NFL Draft

[katlander]

KC landed this BYU OL who might be somewhat gifted.

https://twitter.com/NFL/status/17840315 ... 0page%3D14

Are you sure he was 326 when he was filmed jumping out of the pool? I would guess maybe 280, or less.

[wazucat]

I know Andy Reed has done a very good job with the draft, and trading up to get Mahomes has to be the greatest move in KC history, and one of the best moves in the history of the NFL. He has been able to pull many rabbits out of the hat to enable to keep KC a top team. Despite that he has also not been great in some cases, especially in the early rounds. Edwards-Helaire is one example.

I understand them trading up to get Worthy, a very good player with fantastic speed. Faster than Tyreek. But he just doesn't seem that fast. With that speed he should have been a highlight reel in college. I think he will do well in Andy's offense but he just doesn't seem to run away from defenders like he should. He is shown as 5-11 and 165. He ran 4.21 at the combine, the fastest ever. Maybe the pads slow him down a little. Maybe 10 pounds of muscle would help him play faster.

The move that has me shaking my head is giving up draft capital to move up one spot to get developmental left tackle Kingsley Suamaiaia from BYU. I guess they were afraid San Fran was going to take him, otherwise why trade? They must have really wanted him. It will be interesting to see how fast he gets on the field. If these 2 guys are very good right away Veatch and Reed have set the Chiefs up for this year and for years to come.

picking at 32 every year doesn't give you many options but I am not complaining - I hope we are picking at 32 next draft as well

[tmcats]

I wouldn't read too much into it. If you knew some of the people in the draft room on these NFL teams, you would scratch your head and wonder how these people ever got to where they are today. Several stat companies based on various ratings systems say that more than 50% of first round draft picks are busts. One stat company ran an 8 year study of first round draft picks from 2010 through 2017 and found that only 31% of the teams that drafted first round picks re-signed them to the same original team for their second contract. That's not a good success rate for such a high cost investment.

Then on the flip side, someone like Cooper Beebe is a no brainer pick up that is a core long term player for any NFL team. He's a guaranteed starter and core player on the OL. Its just not a flashy pick. The fact that there were only a few 1st round B12 players drafted doesn't mean much in my eyes.

I can give you this from my opinion, there would have been no way in hell that I would have drafted Caleb Williams as a QB, in any round. Are there any betting odds on him being a bust because I want some of the action.

i don't follow the nfl all that much. but this was a really interesting take, tbonespop, particularly the low success ratio of first rounders. i should not be surprised because i thought baylor's robert griffin would be a surefire success in the nfl, he fizzled quickly.

i'm confident sinnott will be successful because he's so athletic. beebe has that nasty about him making up for the frumpy body. too bad they both didn't go to the boys with deuce.

the chiefs taking worthy should not surprise either. you can't teach speed. and andy knows how to use it.

[wazucat]

I wouldn't read too much into it. If you knew some of the people in the draft room on these NFL teams, you would scratch your head and wonder how these people ever got to where they are today. Several stat companies based on various ratings systems say that more than 50% of first round draft picks are busts. One stat company ran an 8 year study of first round draft picks from 2010 through 2017 and found that only 31% of the teams that drafted first round picks re-signed them to the same original team for their second contract. That's not a good success rate for such a high cost investment.

Then on the flip side, someone like Cooper Beebe is a no brainer pick up that is a core long term player for any NFL team. He's a guaranteed starter and core player on the OL. Its just not a flashy pick. The fact that there were only a few 1st round B12 players drafted doesn't mean much in my eyes.

I can give you this from my opinion, there would have been no way in hell that I would have drafted Caleb Williams as a QB, in any round. Are there any betting odds on him being a bust because I want some of the action.

i don't follow the nfl all that much. but this was a really interesting take, tbonespop, particularly the low success ratio of first rounders. i should not be surprised because i thought baylor's robert griffin would be a surefire success in the nfl, he fizzled quickly.

i'm confident sinnott will be successful because he's so athletic. beebe has that nasty about him making up for the frumpy body. too bad they both didn't go to the boys with deuce.

the chiefs taking worthy should not surprise either. you can't teach speed. and andy knows how to use it.

RG3 suffered a horrible injury that might derail anyone . The statistics don't lie though, you are correct about first round picks of QB's, probably because every one is "reaching" .

[tmcats]

i follow the nfl so little as to not know or recall that rg3 suffered an injury.

[WildcatEngineer]

i don't follow the nfl all that much. but this was a really interesting take, tbonespop, particularly the low success ratio of first rounders. i should not be surprised because i thought baylor's robert griffin would be a surefire success in the nfl, he fizzled quickly.

i'm confident sinnott will be successful because he's so athletic. beebe has that nasty about him making up for the frumpy body. too bad they both didn't go to the boys with deuce.

the chiefs taking worthy should not surprise either. you can't teach speed. and andy knows how to use it.

RG3 suffered a horrible injury that might derail anyone . The statistics don't lie though, you are correct about first round picks of QB's, probably because every one is "reaching" .

RG3 - I have never seen anyone throw the deep ball better in BSFS than RG3. That includes Mahomes who was pretty good.

[Ksuminnesotacat]

Folks help me out here. What was coach Snyders go
to quote on signing day. Tia

[katlander]

Folks help me out here. What was coach Snyders go
to quote on signing day. Tia

I don't know if this is what you want but I remember something to the effect of ask me in 2 or 3 years and I'll tell you if this was a good class.

[Ksuminnesotacat]

By and large we will not know the yada yada of this class until ? I can’t remember it exactly but it was almost the same every year. Want to quote it on a Vikings board lol

[Tbonespop]

i follow the nfl so little as to not know or recall that rg3 suffered an injury.

RGIII could have been a fantastic QB in the NFL. His deep ball accuracy was as good as anyone in the league. The coaches totally misused him by running him too much for someone that was just too thin. He should have just been told to stay in the pocket and if the pocket breaks down, either throw it away or just eat it and live to play another series. But he scrambled and got hurt badly then never came back the same. He had great arm talent, and he could move with his feet. You just can't run a QB in the NFL that much, especially someone that thin and risk of injury.