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earlier we discussed college being easier ...

Post by tmcats » August 15th, 2019, 11:15 am

some of us thought it was easier today to get a degree than decades ago, to wit we were soundly castigated by some others (insert willie) for such old man self-centered silliness. well, i just happened to run across this piece that suggests old men are wise.

While student achievement over this timeframe decreased, as measured by math test scores, their college grade point averages and graduation rates increased. In other words, it appears colleges are further inflating these measures, a trend that has been documented since federal taxpayer funding of so-called higher education exploded.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/08/15/st ... en-easier/
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Post by WIldWIllieCat » August 15th, 2019, 12:17 pm

ahhh....so they're paying more and getting a poorer quality education....those bastards!!
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Post by KITNooga » August 15th, 2019, 1:45 pm

tmcats wrote:
August 15th, 2019, 11:15 am
some of us thought it was easier today to get a degree than decades ago, to wit we were soundly castigated by some others (insert willie) for such old man self-centered silliness. well, i just happened to run across this piece that suggests old men are wise.

While student achievement over this timeframe decreased, as measured by math test scores, their college grade point averages and graduation rates increased. In other words, it appears colleges are further inflating these measures, a trend that has been documented since federal taxpayer funding of so-called higher education exploded.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/08/15/st ... en-easier/
when going through the ACT process with my daughter, I happened to call the ACT HQ to talk about scores. how to compare/contrast scores from 'different' decades (epochs? :rofl: ). was told that scores, say from the 80s would have been lower, but considered equivalent to 3-4 points higher 'today'.

anecdotal sure, but doesn't surprise me.

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Post by WIldWIllieCat » August 15th, 2019, 1:59 pm

I've heard this as well, and believe it to be generally true EMAW.

Another thing everyone should ask themselves is whether or not you believe parents today 'allow' teachers to push their children as much as your parents allow your teachers to push you...
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Post by KITNooga » August 15th, 2019, 2:03 pm

wouldn't know if the 'inflation' has more /less to do with better preparation. will always wonder what I could have done if I'd done it differently.
back then, most folks I knew took the test cold. no prep. no practice tests. nothing. just a bleary-eyed presence at a town far from yours on a saturday morning after you played friday night football and got home around midnight.

contrast to how it's done today 'by many'.

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Post by MajorAppleCat » August 15th, 2019, 2:07 pm

College education is becoming obsolete. The access to information has never been greater than what it is today.
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Post by WIldWIllieCat » August 15th, 2019, 2:09 pm

KITNooga wrote:
August 15th, 2019, 2:03 pm
wouldn't know if the 'inflation' has more /less to do with better preparation. will always wonder what I could have done if I'd done it differently.
back then, most folks I knew took the test cold. no prep. no practice tests. nothing. just a bleary-eyed presence at a town far from yours on a saturday morning after you played friday night football and got home around midnight.

contrast to how it's done today 'by many'.
I know for a fact that schools invest a lot of resources into ACT prep now. I also believe the state of Kansas will provide a one-time window for each student to take the ACT for free....neither of those things existed 'back in the day'.
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Post by ChemicalKat » August 15th, 2019, 2:28 pm

MajorAppleCat wrote:
August 15th, 2019, 2:07 pm
College education is becoming obsolete. The access to information has never been greater than what it is today.
I think the movie Good Will Hunting comes to mind where Will is taking to that guy from Harvard and says “you could have gotten the same education with $1.84 in late charges at the public library.” But then the guy says “ya but you’ll be serving fries to my kids on the way to a skiing trip.”

You can effectively get an entire Harvard education on YouTube but the Harvard diploma itself is worth about an extra $100,000 a year for life. Statistically, college educated make significantly more than non college educated. And having that piece of paper matters.

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Post by tmcats » August 15th, 2019, 3:07 pm

ChemicalKat wrote:
August 15th, 2019, 2:28 pm
MajorAppleCat wrote:
August 15th, 2019, 2:07 pm
College education is becoming obsolete. The access to information has never been greater than what it is today.
I think the movie Good Will Hunting comes to mind where Will is taking to that guy from Harvard and says “you could have gotten the same education with $1.84 in late charges at the public library.” But then the guy says “ya but you’ll be serving fries to my kids on the way to a skiing trip.”

You can effectively get an entire Harvard education on YouTube but the Harvard diploma itself is worth about an extra $100,000 a year for life. Statistically, college educated make significantly more than non college educated. And having that piece of paper matters.
oh baloney on that last statement. i've had a lot of stanford, cal and mit folks working for me during my chevron days. and i worked for some as well. but i don't believe those degrees are worth $4 million more in career earnings than one from say purdue or aTm.
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Post by kinsleycat » August 15th, 2019, 3:52 pm

I once looked over my dad's final exam to graduate 8th grade. It was incredibly difficult and I would have struggled with it. This was from 1927. He went to a country catholic school and those nuns were pretty demanding. I'm not sure how many of his classmates went on to high school but I'm sure it wasn't many, so this was the end of their formal education. Town was just too far away.

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