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Post by WIldWIllieCat » August 15th, 2019, 6:48 am

sure, sure.....it's all about a poem and not the policy

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while you're deflecting and project, chew on this little nugget for a bit:

The labor participation rate of Hispanic foreign-born high-school graduates (72.2%) is comparable to white native-born bachelor’s degree recipients (72.7%) and significantly higher than native-born whites with merely a high-school education (53.8%).
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Post by spot2180 » August 15th, 2019, 11:08 am

Is that supposed to be surprising? I dont find that surprising.
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Post by tmcats » August 15th, 2019, 3:09 pm

liberals should take the bible as literally as they do poetry and this would be a better place, methinks.
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Post by WIldWIllieCat » August 15th, 2019, 4:29 pm

sure, sure....totally about poetry

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Post by WIldWIllieCat » August 15th, 2019, 4:48 pm

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August 15th, 2019, 11:08 am
Is that supposed to be surprising? I dont find that surprising.
Good, good, now what does it tell you about this policy shift?

That "unskilled" immigrant who is much, much more likely to be gainfully employed and busting their ass than a native born white person plays an incredibly important role in the economy and is also the living revitalization of the American dream.

Illegal immigrants aren't eligible for any benefits. There are already restrictions on non-citizen legal residents. The states(rightly) determine whether or not to have work requirements for social welfare programs, and vast majority do. So what does this policy shift do? I get that it's popular with Trump's base because it plays heavily to grievance, but what's the real goal?

Shit, my great grandparents were broke-ass German Catholics lookin' to scratch out a living on a patch of land gifted to them by the government. They didn't have a pot to piss in when they got here, didn't speak English, and were no where near anything considered "skilled labor". They did pretty damned good for themselves and I dare say their community and country. Why do you want to turn people like that away?
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Post by spot2180 » August 15th, 2019, 6:35 pm

WIldWIllieCat wrote:
August 15th, 2019, 4:48 pm
spot2180 wrote:
August 15th, 2019, 11:08 am
Is that supposed to be surprising? I dont find that surprising.
Good, good, now what does it tell you about this policy shift?

That "unskilled" immigrant who is much, much more likely to be gainfully employed and busting their ass than a native born white person plays an incredibly important role in the economy and is also the living revitalization of the American dream.

Illegal immigrants aren't eligible for any benefits. There are already restrictions on non-citizen legal residents. The states(rightly) determine whether or not to have work requirements for social welfare programs, and vast majority do. So what does this policy shift do? I get that it's popular with Trump's base because it plays heavily to grievance, but what's the real goal?

Shit, my great grandparents were broke-ass German Catholics lookin' to scratch out a living on a patch of land gifted to them by the government. They didn't have a pot to piss in when they got here, didn't speak English, and were no where near anything considered "skilled labor". They did pretty damned good for themselves and I dare say their community and country. Why do you want to turn people like that away?
Again, the poem was NEVER immigration policy. It is a poem.

I think you'd benefit from being around students. You are seemingly wanting to say that the white kids here are becoming slackers while the immigrant students are kicking ass. I've taught in an all white school fresh out of college in a microscopic town NE Kansas to the 7th biggest city in the United States where the student populations 80% or more Latino, with many many immigrants from Latin America, as well as refugees from Africa, and Iraq,

The laziest white kids I ever saw where right there in Kansas. Some had money. Some were pretty poor. Every place, every town, every school has its poor, its lazy, its 'privileged", and its hard working students. If you want to start parsing it out racially, you are just being a racist.

Some of the worst immigrant students I have seen were Hispanic twins from....somewhere. I never asked them where they were from, but they barely spoke English and and I was part of their 'intervention' at my school. I told them when I got them that I was their last opportunity for them to stay in that school, which was true. Then about a month later I saw one of them fighting with a school cop, and the other one trying to get in on the cop to help his brother. Both were arrested and both had pockets full of drugs they were selling. I would call them politely, 'bad hombres'. RAcist? No. It was the f**king truth. And they were well on their way to a 4th year of middle school, if they could find one that would take them, that is.

You are trying to make a point about that poem that you have no real idea about. You can look at statistics all day long, but they never truly represent what is going on on the ground. Far too many variables for you to be outraged by someone who wants to change a poem while you believe you have the answer or proof from some statistics in hand.

One that supports your claim: I was teaching summer school for those who failed the state test. There was a girl from Honduras--a great kid. Could barely speak English, but you could tell she was super smart. When I got their scores to see where they were struggling, I found out this little girl scored higher on her STAAR test than another kid in the room who was Hispanice, didn't speak Spanish, and was born right there in town. She had only been in the country 5 months at that point, and she scored 500+ points higher than the other kid. Her best friend was in that class too that summer, and was in the country for more than five years and still didn't speak much English--she didn't want to, and it showed in her scores

It is absolutely not cut and dry like your leftie talking points want to make it. Immigrant kids do good every day. Some don't. Some are neck deep in gangs and drugs when they get here, and they truly are getting here in my city. And when they get here by the good grace and loving arms of liberals across my city who want to 'officially' call it a sanctuary city, those fantastic liberals dump them on the streets, literally living on the streets, which serve as both their beds and toilets.

And this is truly disgusting: A former student of mine was arrested about a year ago for being a pimp out of a hotel room where he had three immigrant girls, underaged of course, drugged and handcuffed to beds. An US citizen taking advantage of young immigrant girls so other US citizens can abuse them. That kid wasn't white.

Open borders is not a net good, no matter what that poem says.
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Post by tmcats » August 15th, 2019, 6:40 pm

chinese workers built the western railroads. 15-20,000 legal immigrants. last i checked, they didn't come from europe or across the mexico border.

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Post by WIldWIllieCat » August 15th, 2019, 7:32 pm

spot2180 wrote:
August 15th, 2019, 6:35 pm
WIldWIllieCat wrote:
August 15th, 2019, 4:48 pm


Good, good, now what does it tell you about this policy shift?

That "unskilled" immigrant who is much, much more likely to be gainfully employed and busting their ass than a native born white person plays an incredibly important role in the economy and is also the living revitalization of the American dream.

Illegal immigrants aren't eligible for any benefits. There are already restrictions on non-citizen legal residents. The states(rightly) determine whether or not to have work requirements for social welfare programs, and vast majority do. So what does this policy shift do? I get that it's popular with Trump's base because it plays heavily to grievance, but what's the real goal?

Shit, my great grandparents were broke-ass German Catholics lookin' to scratch out a living on a patch of land gifted to them by the government. They didn't have a pot to piss in when they got here, didn't speak English, and were no where near anything considered "skilled labor". They did pretty damned good for themselves and I dare say their community and country. Why do you want to turn people like that away?
Again, the poem was NEVER immigration policy. It is a poem.

I think you'd benefit from being around students. You are seemingly wanting to say that the white kids here are becoming slackers while the immigrant students are kicking ass. I've taught in an all white school fresh out of college in a microscopic town NE Kansas to the 7th biggest city in the United States where the student populations 80% or more Latino, with many many immigrants from Latin America, as well as refugees from Africa, and Iraq,

The laziest white kids I ever saw where right there in Kansas. Some had money. Some were pretty poor. Every place, every town, every school has its poor, its lazy, its 'privileged", and its hard working students. If you want to start parsing it out racially, you are just being a racist.

Some of the worst immigrant students I have seen were Hispanic twins from....somewhere. I never asked them where they were from, but they barely spoke English and and I was part of their 'intervention' at my school. I told them when I got them that I was their last opportunity for them to stay in that school, which was true. Then about a month later I saw one of them fighting with a school cop, and the other one trying to get in on the cop to help his brother. Both were arrested and both had pockets full of drugs they were selling. I would call them politely, 'bad hombres'. RAcist? No. It was the f**king truth. And they were well on their way to a 4th year of middle school, if they could find one that would take them, that is.

You are trying to make a point about that poem that you have no real idea about. You can look at statistics all day long, but they never truly represent what is going on on the ground. Far too many variables for you to be outraged by someone who wants to change a poem while you believe you have the answer or proof from some statistics in hand.

One that supports your claim: I was teaching summer school for those who failed the state test. There was a girl from Honduras--a great kid. Could barely speak English, but you could tell she was super smart. When I got their scores to see where they were struggling, I found out this little girl scored higher on her STAAR test than another kid in the room who was Hispanice, didn't speak Spanish, and was born right there in town. She had only been in the country 5 months at that point, and she scored 500+ points higher than the other kid. Her best friend was in that class too that summer, and was in the country for more than five years and still didn't speak much English--she didn't want to, and it showed in her scores

It is absolutely not cut and dry like your leftie talking points want to make it. Immigrant kids do good every day. Some don't. Some are neck deep in gangs and drugs when they get here, and they truly are getting here in my city. And when they get here by the good grace and loving arms of liberals across my city who want to 'officially' call it a sanctuary city, those fantastic liberals dump them on the streets, literally living on the streets, which serve as both their beds and toilets.

And this is truly disgusting: A former student of mine was arrested about a year ago for being a pimp out of a hotel room where he had three immigrant girls, underaged of course, drugged and handcuffed to beds. An US citizen taking advantage of young immigrant girls so other US citizens can abuse them. That kid wasn't white.

Open borders is not a net good, no matter what that poem says.
Good lord man, who's talking about a god-damned poem. This is, was, and continues to be about policy. I am most certainly not trying to say that "the white kids here are becoming slackers while the immigrant students are kicking ass." It's kind of insane to even make the claim that I was.

The rest of your post, though anecdotal, is almost exactly what I'm trying to communicate to you - why on earth would you disqualify that young lady from Honduras if her parents are hard working, broke-ass poor immigrants; while giving a pass to the other kid because maybe his/her parents weren't. You're talking about the same damned variables that I'm talking about for christ's sake, and you think it's good policy to empower some bureaucrat in DHS to make that decision on whatever whim of an interpretation this "public charge" policy strikes their fancy?

In your entire rant you also never really answered my question either. What does this policy shift achieve? What's its aim? Why would you have seen my family blocked from coming to this country, busting their asses, embracing our ideals, and contributing everything that they have for generations? They got a substantial grant of land, and they damned-sure had to take some form of assistance during the Great Depression(I honest to god can't even imagine what they had to go through to hang onto that farm). You want to empower some no-name government official to say 'no' to them because they were too Catholic, or too German, or too poor, or too 'unskilled'?

Policy man....policy, not a poem, but l will say one last thing about that poem - it's not on the SoL because of its sick rhymes, it's there because it's who we are.
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Post by spot2180 » August 16th, 2019, 7:32 pm

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August 15th, 2019, 7:32 pm


Good lord man, who's talking about a god-damned poem. This is, was, and continues to be about policy. I am most certainly not trying to say that "the white kids here are becoming slackers while the immigrant students are kicking ass." It's kind of insane to even make the claim that I was.

The rest of your post, though anecdotal, is almost exactly what I'm trying to communicate to you - why on earth would you disqualify that young lady from Honduras if her parents are hard working, broke-ass poor immigrants; while giving a pass to the other kid because maybe his/her parents weren't. You're talking about the same damned variables that I'm talking about for christ's sake, and you think it's good policy to empower some bureaucrat in DHS to make that decision on whatever whim of an interpretation this "public charge" policy strikes their fancy?

In your entire rant you also never really answered my question either. What does this policy shift achieve? What's its aim? Why would you have seen my family blocked from coming to this country, busting their asses, embracing our ideals, and contributing everything that they have for generations? They got a substantial grant of land, and they damned-sure had to take some form of assistance during the Great Depression(I honest to god can't even imagine what they had to go through to hang onto that farm). You want to empower some no-name government official to say 'no' to them because they were too Catholic, or too German, or too poor, or too 'unskilled'?

Policy man....policy, not a poem, but l will say one last thing about that poem - it's not on the SoL because of its sick rhymes, it's there because it's who we are.
Wasn't it a poem that got you all outraged? Yep.
And I was wondering if you'd label my post anecdotal. And what is even more fun, you mention your great grandparents in your own piece of anecdotal evidence. Is there a rule about anecdotal evidence I'm missing here?

You need to get out this faux instant expert mode you love to think everyone values in your posts. The Honduran girl in my post IS everything we want in an immigrant, if she was legal. She was not legal. She came unaccompanied to be with her mother who snuck across about a year earlier. What you refuse to understand is the number of bad folks that come across the border. And you are choosing to ignore the right of our country to have a secure border, along with the idea that it is ok to break the law when it is politically beneficial to your ideology. You want a secure border, willie, so you say, but with no security. How do you pull that off? Are there examples of illegal immigrants that would make great US citizens? Sure, if they wanted to be US citizens, meaning that they'd learn Engish and assimilate. You'd be surprised how many don't want to be citizens. The girl I mentioned along with the Honduran girl was one of those illegal immigrants that didnt' want to. 5 years immersed in the language and still doesn't understand it?

Anecdotal? Sure it is. But it is real. You statistics that you posted? I am not surprised by it at all, but we all know that people can massages statistics to say what they want them to say. Bernie, Fauxcahontas, Biden, Cory, Kamala have been fudging numbers everytime they find a microphone in front of their faces.

And back to the poem. It is a poem. That's it. It doesn't say we are socialist, but there are some on this board that think that is who we need to be. The poem is a convenient tool used in order score political points. Congrats. Now, when you feel so strongly about those illegal immigrants, I hope it carries over to the sex trade that gets IGNORED BY EVERY SINGLE DEMOCRAT WANNABE NOMINEE. Mabye you can send them a letter or an email and ask them to shine some light on it. They don't listen to me. Could it be that they don't really care about those kids. AOC would actually win points from me if she addressed that situation, which I am sure her district deals with. We have two Castros in DC ignoring it in their hometown city. They sure are hell bent on exposing Trump supporters and the businesses they own, aren't they. But they don't have an answer for the people they'd unemploy if the boycotts worked. I'd bet there were some illegals in those jobs too.

Your outrage about a poem is stupid. Your indifference to some immigrants that don't help the cause is noted, not to mention hypocritical. Dreaming about one size fits all immigration and free healthcare and free education for them all is serious detriment to the country. Feels good. Doesn't work for shit.
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Post by WIldWIllieCat » August 16th, 2019, 7:59 pm

Ummm....nobody's talking about illegal immigrants except for you.....it literally has nothing to do with this policy.

Now that you've gone through all the talking points, would you like answer the question?
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