this ongoing rivas evaluation thing is strange ...

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this ongoing rivas evaluation thing is strange ...

Post by tmcats » May 20th, 2020, 9:48 am

here's josh now the nation's best interior lineman according to "pro football focus," who didn't start a game last year, but was nevertheless a b12 a.p. first-teamer. how's that happen? i can't remember an odder set of circumstances. maybe someone can come up with a comparable?

Kansas State junior left guard Josh Rivas has been recognized as the highest-graded returning Power 5 interior offensive lineman by Pro Football Focus. A regular rotator at left guard behind senior starter Evan Curl in 2019, Rivas earned first-team All-Big 12 Conference honors in 2019 despite not starting in a single game during the season ...

Rivas earned the highest grade by PFF ahead of Minnesota center John Michael Schmitz, Ohio State guard Wyatt Davis, Iowa center Tyler Linderbaum, Illinois center Doug Kramer, Illinois guard Kendrick Green, USC guard Alijah Vera-Tucker and Tennessee guard Trey Smith.
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Post by PurpleOnWhite » May 20th, 2020, 11:02 am

Maybe he’s really good and Curl got the nod because he was a senior? Thankfully Snyder is gone. Rivas may not have played much being a sophomore

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Post by Kralicek » May 20th, 2020, 11:30 am

Weird set of circumstances. Sounds like we have a beast on o-line that we didn't realize we had.

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Post by wild@nite » May 20th, 2020, 12:30 pm

PurpleOnWhite wrote:
May 20th, 2020, 11:02 am
Maybe he’s really good and Curl got the nod because he was a senior? Thankfully Snyder is gone. Rivas may not have played much being a sophomore
Huh? Do you not remember Thomas Barnett, Nick Leckey, BJ Finney, or Scott Frantz just to name few off of the top of my head? All OL and started as Freshmen or Soph's under Snyder.
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Post by Hypeman » May 20th, 2020, 12:47 pm

Maybe we will have someone worthy of getting drafted next year

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Post by bhoovy » May 20th, 2020, 1:08 pm

He’s a former Hutch Salt Hawk. Good for him.

Well maybe the concerns about the OL aren’t as great as thought??

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Post by Gorhoops » May 20th, 2020, 1:33 pm

bhoovy wrote:
May 20th, 2020, 1:08 pm
He’s a former Hutch Salt Hawk. Good for him.

Well maybe the concerns about the OL aren’t as great as thought??


Had things gone as normal with spring ball, summer workouts, etc, I would actually feel pretty good about the OL as far as actually being more talented than last years group. Many felt in the spring of 2019 that Noah Johnson was going to be a starter he was playing so well. Beebe is a future beast, we already know Rivas is a potential pro, and listening to many inside the program, Leviston has next level talent as well.

Chemistry may be an issue with limited work for these guys together, but from a fit standpoint with what Kleiman, Mess and Riley want to do, this group probably fits better. They are bigger, more roadgrader types, and that is what this staff wants. Depending on who starts, we could have Beebe at LT (340ish), Rivas and Delforge at Guard, both around 325-330, Leviston at tackle at around 330, with a smart, tough dude at Center in Johnson. Hard to say, but talent looks pretty good.
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Post by AJcat7755 » May 20th, 2020, 4:48 pm

There may be some logic to having the same starters and not changing things up, hence why Curl was in there, to keep the chemistry going. New coach coming it may have wanted to keep as many things the same just to keep some consistency in the transition. And it's not like Rivas didn't play, he just didn't start on the first snap of the game. He has played in all games in last 2 years in rotation and CK rotated in a lot of players on both lines unlike past years where the starters took a majority of the snaps.. Would him starting and Curl rotating in have changed much in the end?

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Post by KITNooga » May 21st, 2020, 10:02 am

tmcats wrote:
May 20th, 2020, 9:48 am
here's josh now the nation's best interior lineman according to "pro football focus," who didn't start a game last year, but was nevertheless a b12 a.p. first-teamer. how's that happen? i can't remember an odder set of circumstances. maybe someone can come up with a comparable?

Kansas State junior left guard Josh Rivas has been recognized as the highest-graded returning Power 5 interior offensive lineman by Pro Football Focus. A regular rotator at left guard behind senior starter Evan Curl in 2019, Rivas earned first-team All-Big 12 Conference honors in 2019 despite not starting in a single game during the season ...

Rivas earned the highest grade by PFF ahead of Minnesota center John Michael Schmitz, Ohio State guard Wyatt Davis, Iowa center Tyler Linderbaum, Illinois center Doug Kramer, Illinois guard Kendrick Green, USC guard Alijah Vera-Tucker and Tennessee guard Trey Smith.
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not sure should hang up on 'starting'. if two kids split time at a position, one will start.
I can see the logic in having a senior take the first snap, first series. who started probably is way less important than who played. and how much.

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Post by tmcats » May 21st, 2020, 10:07 am

i still find it fascinating that a non-starter, however, it be rationalized, a rotation guy is b12 first-team and then picked as the country's best interior lineman the following year. i've never seen any set of circumstances quite like it. it's the circumstances that are unique not the fact he should or shouldn't have gotten the starting nod.
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