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The extortion hyperbole of the left...

Post by MajorAppleCat » November 7th, 2019, 2:53 pm

The libs entire premises for impeachment is that despite the Ukrainian president’s statements to the contrary, that there was an “attempted” quid pro quo, ie,. an attempted extortion.

As a matter of fact we know that there was no quid quo pro since we know that no funds were actually withheld—- nor could there have been. Foreign governments are not unsophisticated. They know U. S. law sometimes better than U. S.’s own citizens. They would know a POTUS cannot withhold appropriated funds. See Impoundment Act of 1974.

What libs are actually arguing is that Trump “attempted”. to violate the Impoundment Act of 1974., by his statements alone.

Thus,libs impeachment action is solely based on Trumps statements rather than any action. In other words libs impeachment action is against an elected POTUS solely upon the argument that he may have desired to withhold funds, not that the funds were actually withheld. Thus, this would be tantamount to bringing a charge of adultery against Jimmy Carter for having thoughts or statements of other women, despite the fact that he may have been physically faithful to Rosalyn. (Those old enough will understand my analogy.)
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Post by xtrawildcat » November 7th, 2019, 4:41 pm

MajorAppleCat wrote:
November 7th, 2019, 2:53 pm
The libs entire premises for impeachment is that despite the Ukrainian president’s statements to the contrary, that there was an “attempted” quid pro quo, ie,. an attempted extortion.

As a matter of fact we know that there was no quid quo pro since we know that no funds were actually withheld—- nor could there have been. Foreign governments are not unsophisticated. They know U. S. law sometimes better than U. S.’s own citizens. They would know a POTUS cannot withhold appropriated funds. See Impoundment Act of 1974.

What libs are actually arguing is that Trump “attempted”. to violate the Impoundment Act of 1974., by his statements alone.

Thus,libs impeachment action is solely based on Trumps statements rather than any action. In other words libs impeachment action is against an elected POTUS solely upon the argument that he may have desired to withhold funds, not that the funds were actually withheld. Thus, this would be tantamount to bringing a charge of adultery against Jimmy Carter for having thoughts or statements of other women, despite the fact that he may have been physically faithful to Rosalyn. (Those old enough will understand my analogy.)
Funny how that aid got released soon after the whistle blowers complaint went public.

The Trump administration initially told Congress it was releasing the aid to Ukraine on February 28. It repeated that assertion to Congress again on May 23, but failed to explain to lawmakers but struggled to explain — both publicly and to the lawmakers who approved the aid — exactly why the funds were withheld.

Even Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell couldn’t get a straight answer from Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Defense Secretary Mark Esper over the summer on why the aid hadn’t been dispersed yet.

But then on September 11, the Trump administration suddenly disbursed the money.

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Post by MajorAppleCat » November 8th, 2019, 1:52 pm

xtrawildcat wrote:
November 7th, 2019, 4:41 pm
MajorAppleCat wrote:
November 7th, 2019, 2:53 pm
The libs entire premises for impeachment is that despite the Ukrainian president’s statements to the contrary, that there was an “attempted” quid pro quo, ie,. an attempted extortion.

As a matter of fact we know that there was no quid quo pro since we know that no funds were actually withheld—- nor could there have been. Foreign governments are not unsophisticated. They know U. S. law sometimes better than U. S.’s own citizens. They would know a POTUS cannot withhold appropriated funds. See Impoundment Act of 1974.

What libs are actually arguing is that Trump “attempted”. to violate the Impoundment Act of 1974., by his statements alone.

Thus,libs impeachment action is solely based on Trumps statements rather than any action. In other words libs impeachment action is against an elected POTUS solely upon the argument that he may have desired to withhold funds, not that the funds were actually withheld. Thus, this would be tantamount to bringing a charge of adultery against Jimmy Carter for having thoughts or statements of other women, despite the fact that he may have been physically faithful to Rosalyn. (Those old enough will understand my analogy.)
Funny how that aid got released soon after the whistle blowers complaint went public.

The Trump administration initially told Congress it was releasing the aid to Ukraine on February 28. It repeated that assertion to Congress again on May 23, but failed to explain to lawmakers but struggled to explain — both publicly and to the lawmakers who approved the aid — exactly why the funds were withheld.

Even Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell couldn’t get a straight answer from Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Defense Secretary Mark Esper over the summer on why the aid hadn’t been dispersed yet.

But then on September 11, the Trump administration suddenly disbursed the money.
Yes, it is kind of funny. He should have waited until there was actually an exchange, i.e., a quid pro quo. (That's the way the FBI proves its drug cases... a video showing an exchange of cash for drugs or how the cops prove illegal prostitution charges.) Now, all libs are left with is an unproven allegation with no actual exchange. How stupid.

Contrast that with Biden's quid pro quo... where he admits to withholding billions of dollars in exchange for the prosecutor being removed from the case. In that case, there was an exchange.
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Post by Opensource » November 8th, 2019, 2:13 pm

Well, when are the cult followers going to step out of the Trump fantasy world? May be never regardless of the evidence.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

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Post by MajorAppleCat » November 8th, 2019, 2:21 pm

Opensource wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 2:13 pm
Well, when are the cult followers going to step out of the Trump fantasy world? May be never regardless of the evidence.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html
LOL

If we are going to start impeaching public officials (or politicians) for lying we are in for continuous impeachment proceedings.

Obama: "You can keep your doctor...."

Susan Rice: Video started uprising....

Bush 1: "Read my lips, no new taxes."
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Post by RichardZ » November 8th, 2019, 3:04 pm

The quid pro quo argument for impeachment is just plain ludicrous.

What leadership of a country would not ask for something in return when they give tons of money or lives for something in return?

The demorats have been pounding the impeachment drum from the very first day of the election and three years later, after hop scotching all over the place with one dopey charge after another, think the president would not want to find out about the actual, stinky deals of a previous administration and their involvement and INTERFERENCE OF AN ELECTION.
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Post by ChemicalKat » November 8th, 2019, 5:29 pm

RichardZ wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 3:04 pm
The quid pro quo argument for impeachment is just plain ludicrous.

What leadership of a country would not ask for something in return when they give tons of money or lives for something in return?

The demorats have been pounding the impeachment drum from the very first day of the election and three years later, after hop scotching all over the place with one dopey charge after another, think the president would not want to find out about the actual, stinky deals of a previous administration and their involvement and INTERFERENCE OF AN ELECTION.
You cannot, under any circumstances, ask a foreign country for help falsifying evidence against a political opponent in exchange for congressionally approved aid.

Any argument otherwise is ludicrous.

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Post by MajorAppleCat » November 8th, 2019, 5:52 pm

ChemicalKat wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 5:29 pm
RichardZ wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 3:04 pm
The quid pro quo argument for impeachment is just plain ludicrous.

What leadership of a country would not ask for something in return when they give tons of money or lives for something in return?

The demorats have been pounding the impeachment drum from the very first day of the election and three years later, after hop scotching all over the place with one dopey charge after another, think the president would not want to find out about the actual, stinky deals of a previous administration and their involvement and INTERFERENCE OF AN ELECTION.
You cannot, under any circumstances, ask a foreign country for help falsifying evidence against a political opponent in exchange for congressionally approved aid.

Any argument otherwise is ludicrous.
Please direct me to the transcript where Trump was asking Ukraine to falsify evidence and be specific.
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Post by RichardZ » November 8th, 2019, 7:50 pm

….me too.
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Post by ChemicalKat » November 9th, 2019, 8:13 am

4 direct witnesses testified that Trump wanted a public declaration of opening an investigation into the Biden’s. Also “I need a favor though.”

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