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Re: The extortion hyperbole of the left...

Post by MajorAppleCat » November 11th, 2019, 10:30 pm

ChemicalKat wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 10:10 pm
MajorAppleCat wrote:
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You have a strange definition of withheld.
You have a strange definition of not withheld.
Clearly, you must be delusional to believe that the Ukraine did not receive the funds that were approved by Congress. Delay does not equal withheld.
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Post by WIldWIllieCat » November 11th, 2019, 10:39 pm

Again the aid was withheld until after the whistleblower information became public...not after the perfect, mind you, PERFECT telephone call

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Post by MajorAppleCat » November 11th, 2019, 10:43 pm

WIldWIllieCat wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 10:39 pm
Again the aid was withheld until after the whistleblower information became public...not after the perfect, mind you, PERFECT telephone call

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So what. See Fed. R. Evid. 407.
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Post by ChemicalKat » November 12th, 2019, 6:42 am

MajorAppleCat wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 10:43 pm
WIldWIllieCat wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 10:39 pm
Again the aid was withheld until after the whistleblower information became public...not after the perfect, mind you, PERFECT telephone call

:rofl:
So what. See Fed. R. Evid. 407.
That’s extortion. No other way to slice it.

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Post by spot2180 » November 12th, 2019, 7:30 am

Yeah, the only thing missing though is the high crime.

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Post by ChemicalKat » November 12th, 2019, 7:44 am

spot2180 wrote:
November 12th, 2019, 7:30 am
Yeah, the only thing missing though is the high crime.

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I’m curious if you even know what high crimes means?

Do you know why article 2 does not say “FELONIES and misdemeanors”?

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Post by spot2180 » November 12th, 2019, 7:45 am

Obvioulsy you do. You would have listed one already when asked repeatedly to do so.
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Post by ChemicalKat » November 12th, 2019, 7:59 am

spot2180 wrote:
November 12th, 2019, 7:45 am
Obvioulsy you do. You would have listed one already when asked repeatedly to do so.
A high crime is not a well-defined tort. It is a general term used to remove officials who abuse their power. As defined by the Federalist papers, Benjamin Franklin, and confirmed by the Supreme Court in 1974. If Trumps defense is “I did not commit an official tort,” he will be convicted because that will not fly with Chief Justice Roberts.

A president tries to rig an upcoming election by using his vast powers to allocate resources to allies in an effort to force a public declaration of an investigation against his political rival. If that’s not impeachable then nothing is.

https://www.constitution.org/cmt/high_crimes.htm

It does not mean "more serious". It refers to those punishable offenses that only apply to high persons, that is, to public officials, those who, because of their official status, are under special obligations that ordinary persons are not under, and which could not be meaningfully applied or justly punished if committed by ordinary persons.

Offenses of this kind survive today in the Uniform Code of Military Justice. It recognizes as punishable offenses such things as perjury of oath, refusal to obey orders, abuse of authority, dereliction of duty, failure to supervise, moral turpitude, and conduct unbecoming. These would not be offenses if committed by a civilian with no official position, but they are offenses which bear on the subject's fitness for the duties he holds, which he is bound by oath or affirmation to perform.

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Post by spot2180 » November 12th, 2019, 8:05 am

And you still don't have one...OH except that he won an election and stole Hillary's destiny.

Xtra was barking about due process a while back. These impeachment hearings are seriously lacking in due process, but go ahead and support the pushing of this stuff. it won't get you what you want because the only way massive holes haven't been punched into Schiffty's BS is because cross examination is fettered or denied all together.
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Post by xtrawildcat » November 12th, 2019, 8:24 am

Once again,
Bribery is the act of giving or receiving something of value in exchange for some kind of influence or action in return, that the recipient would otherwise not offer.

SECTION 4. The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

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