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Re: The extortion hyperbole of the left...

Posted: November 9th, 2019, 8:38 am
by KITNooga
MajorAppleCat wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 2:21 pm
Opensource wrote:
November 8th, 2019, 2:13 pm
Well, when are the cult followers going to step out of the Trump fantasy world? May be never regardless of the evidence.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html
LOL

If we are going to start impeaching public officials (or politicians) for lying we are in for continuous impeachment proceedings.

Obama: "You can keep your doctor...."

Susan Rice: Video started uprising....

Bush 1: "Read my lips, no new taxes."
you left out 'benghazi was due to a video' oh, and 'fast and furious'.

Re: The extortion hyperbole of the left...

Posted: November 9th, 2019, 9:22 am
by spot2180
Obama: I heard it on the news like you did.

Just one example: https://johnsolomonreports.com/testimon ... -concerns/

Re: The extortion hyperbole of the left...

Posted: November 9th, 2019, 9:39 am
by xtrawildcat
Well at least now everyone is in agreement that Trump was asking for an investigation of Biden and the 2016 election in exchange for a white house meeting and that he had stopped the aid going to Ukraine until he got that statement.

Now the argument has morphed into its what everybody does and Presidents should ask for political favors before sending our tax dollars to a foreign country.

Regarding not bein a quigcause Ukraine got the aid after the whistle blower lead.
ake 18 U.S. Code § 872: “Extortion by officers or employees of the United States.”

“Whoever, being an officer, or employee of the United States or any department or agency thereof, or representing himself to be or assuming to act as such, under color or pretense of office or employment commits or attempts an act of extortion, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.”

The only question, here, is the definition of extortion. The law describes it as “the extraction of anything of value from another person by threatening or placing that person in fear of injury to any person or kidnapping of any person.” Was the Ukrainian president, or any other person, put in “fear of injury” by Trump’s move? As Trump’s envoys made clear in their since-disclosed text messages, Ukraine’s cooperation in the investigation of Joe and Hunter Biden was driven by the promise of a White House visit for President Volodymyr Zelensky and the threat of withholding military aid. That’ a felony, as the president and other Ukrainians no doubt had “fear of injury.” (losing congressionally approved aid and losing the opportunity to have a meeting with Trump at the White House)


It’s also illegal, according to 18 U.S. Code § 595, when a government official, “in connection with any activity which is financed in whole or in part by loans or grants made by the United States, or any department or agency thereof, uses his official authority for the purpose of interfering with, or affecting, the nomination or the election of any candidate for the office of President.” That statute could add another year to the sentence.

Re: The extortion hyperbole of the left...

Posted: November 9th, 2019, 11:34 am
by WIldWIllieCat
but, but in hypothetical-I-want-to-believe-everybody-does-it land none of this matters you see

Re: The extortion hyperbole of the left...

Posted: November 10th, 2019, 8:30 am
by spot2180
Meanwhile, democrats continue to do the things they accuse conservatives of doing and saying things like 'whataboutism'.

Re: The extortion hyperbole of the left...

Posted: November 10th, 2019, 9:04 am
by WIldWIllieCat
Sorry spot, this is not "business as usual".

Re: The extortion hyperbole of the left...

Posted: November 10th, 2019, 9:09 pm
by katlander
What President Trump did was fine, He was trying to expose the true corruption. What the Biden's were doing was using Joe's office to basically extort money. Very different. And if the shoes were on the other feet you would be going crazy and would actually have a case. Such total BS. The Democrats have totally lost me and I'm sure that is the case with many other Americans who realize this kind of behavior is very bad for our country.

Re: The extortion hyperbole of the left...

Posted: November 10th, 2019, 9:36 pm
by RichardZ
Katlander…

You make a great point and it got me to thinking. What if, no matter who is elected in 2020, the opposition party goes on a Jihad for impeachment from day one. And not only 2020. How 'bout beyond that? Like every election.

This is a very dangerous path the demorats have started down.

I mean, how many bites do they get at the impeachment apple? Three years of lies, shrillness, 'explosive' discoveries and for what? Do discredit the one guy who is actually trying to accomplish something for the benefit of all Americans.

Washington is not a swamp...it is a sewer.

Re: The extortion hyperbole of the left...

Posted: November 10th, 2019, 10:04 pm
by WIldWIllieCat
Literally everything you say is propaganda katlander. Democrats haven't "lost you", they've no interest in your conspiratorial nonsense.

Re: The extortion hyperbole of the left...

Posted: November 10th, 2019, 10:08 pm
by katlander
xtrawildcat wrote:
November 9th, 2019, 9:39 am
Well at least now everyone is in agreement that Trump was asking for an investigation of Biden and the 2016 election in exchange for a white house meeting and that he had stopped the aid going to Ukraine until he got that statement.

Now the argument has morphed into its what everybody does and Presidents should ask for political favors before sending our tax dollars to a foreign country.

Regarding not bein a quigcause Ukraine got the aid after the whistle blower lead.
ake 18 U.S. Code § 872: “Extortion by officers or employees of the United States.”

“Whoever, being an officer, or employee of the United States or any department or agency thereof, or representing himself to be or assuming to act as such, under color or pretense of office or employment commits or attempts an act of extortion, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.”

The only question, here, is the definition of extortion. The law describes it as “the extraction of anything of value from another person by threatening or placing that person in fear of injury to any person or kidnapping of any person.” Was the Ukrainian president, or any other person, put in “fear of injury” by Trump’s move? As Trump’s envoys made clear in their since-disclosed text messages, Ukraine’s cooperation in the investigation of Joe and Hunter Biden was driven by the promise of a White House visit for President Volodymyr Zelensky and the threat of withholding military aid. That’ a felony, as the president and other Ukrainians no doubt had “fear of injury.” (losing congressionally approved aid and losing the opportunity to have a meeting with Trump at the White House)


It’s also illegal, according to 18 U.S. Code § 595, when a government official, “in connection with any activity which is financed in whole or in part by loans or grants made by the United States, or any department or agency thereof, uses his official authority for the purpose of interfering with, or affecting, the nomination or the election of any candidate for the office of President.” That statute could add another year to the sentence.


One thing that you are forgetting is that the President is basically in charge of foreign relations.

Foreign affairs
Under the Constitution, the president is the federal official that is primarily responsible for the relations of the United States with foreign nations. The president appoints ambassadors, ministers, and consuls (subject to confirmation by the Senate) and receives foreign ambassadors and other public officials.[29] With the secretary of state, the president manages all official contacts with foreign governments.

On occasion, the president may personally participate in summit conferences where heads of state meet for direct consultation.[43] For example, President Wilson led the American delegation to the Paris Peace Conference in 1919 after World War I; President Franklin D. Roosevelt met with Allied leaders during World War II; and every president sits down with world leaders to discuss economic and political issues and to reach agreements.

Through the Department of State and the Department of Defense, the president is responsible for the protection of Americans abroad and of foreign nationals in the United States. The president decides whether to recognize new nations and new governments,[44] and negotiate treaties with other nations, which become binding on the United States when approved by two-thirds of the Senate. The president may also negotiate executive agreements with foreign powers that are not subject to Senate confirmation.[4

So he has broad powers and authority in this area. He is basically in charge here. Even so this was simply more deal making by PDJT. Under your broad definition nearly every negotiation could be defined as extortion and any request for cooperation or a favor a high crime. It is beyond a stretch just like the rest of the Democrats false attacks and persecution. Coup anyone? Remember when we elected a President then he served for 4 years and we had another election? Its called democracy.