Are we not going to talk about this?

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Are we not going to talk about this?

Post by ChemicalKat » September 20th, 2019, 7:08 am

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.c ... -says.html

“The Post's editorial board on Sept. 5 had suggested that Trump was withholding military aid to Ukraine to pressure it to investigate Joe Biden and his son, Hunter Biden, who is on the board of a Ukrainian gas company.

In a combative interview with CNN on Thursday, Giuliani both denied and admitted to being in touch with Ukraine officials about the former vice president.”

...”The inspector general for the intelligence community, an independent watchdog, deemed the complaint an "urgent concern" that he was required by law to turn over to the congressional intelligence committees.”

Spots theory that the Biden’s and the Clintons used the Ukrainians to try and execute a coup on Trump was a lie. Cooked up by Gulliani. Then Trump used military aid to pressure the Ukrainians to confirm the story.

This is a horrifying abuse of power. Threats on foreign governments to make up stories on political adversaries.

Here is Gulliani. https://youtu.be/q6EHQKL2wdo

Notice how Gulliani calls Cuomo “the enemy”. That’s language I’ve heard on this board before.

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Post by ChemicalKat » September 20th, 2019, 7:10 am

This also says a lot about Spots favorite source on everything Ukraine, John Solomon at the Hill, who is clearly a manufactured megaphone for Gulliani.

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Post by spot2180 » September 20th, 2019, 7:39 am

Hahah Wow. Your hypocricy has risen to new levels. The power that you have to ignore those with a D behind their name is amazing. You are smart enough to think Biden and Obama would never ever ever abuse their power to strong arm anyone with aid money, even when Slo' Joe brags about doing just that, over a billion dollars in aid. Fire that investigator or this billion dollars in aid goes away. You'll vote for dumbf**** Joe if he gets the nomination, and he 'horrifyingly' abused his power of vice president to help baby boy Hunter Biden stay out of prison and keep all that money that was being shoveled his way. There was also a thing in China where Slo' Joe helped his boy out too. I wonder how much of that money makes its way to Slo' Joe's offshore bank account.

Obama can oversee a spying operation on a presidential campaign. Oh no, absolutely no abuse of power there. You will defend to the death FISA warrants that are based on lies. You want impeachment on our president and a supreme court justice based on lie after lie after lie.

It makes one wonder about your intelligence. Obvious lies are true to you.

Give it 48 hours, genius, then check back and see if it still holds water. You are seeing coordinated leaks in an attempt to take the sting off of the IG report that is going to come out and make the FBI, CIA, Hillary and Obama look very bad. The media, acting as the propaganda wing of the left, is laying cover. But you go ahead and continue this stupidity and make yourself believe you are on the correct side of history. But you know you are on the wrong side, and if the same BS leveled against Trump gets leveled against a democrat president, you will be the loudest to complain about something the left did first. Self-inflicted oblivion will be on display to everyone on board if it still exists.

I have never seen anyone so ardent in believing lies. Congrats chemmy, you have replaced BigChief as the biggest hypocrite on the board. Discredit Soloman all you want. That's what you lefties do when you cannot refute the truth. Truth has no merit in today's democrat party, that much is clear. You are living freaking proof of that.
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Post by NealyFan » September 20th, 2019, 7:39 am

I don't even see the point: Democrats will jump to the worst conclusions regardless of the evidence, Republicans will defend Trump regardless of the evidence, and the rest -- majority of Americans -- don't give a rat's a$$.
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Post by ChemicalKat » September 20th, 2019, 8:08 am

Trump threatened to withhold foreign aid if Ukraine did not investigate Biden. The intelligence officer and the Trump appointed IG blew the whistle, calling it an “urgent concern.”

This has never happened before. And the desperation in Spots writing is evident. He’s so desperate to be right that he has no choice but to turn to cursing and insults.

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Post by RichardZ » September 20th, 2019, 9:35 am

Yup..

We never, ever have withheld aid whether it be $$$$ or the military wares or men to get what we want or point a country or leader of a country to point them in the direction we would like them to take. Nope...Never.
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Post by ToledoCat#2 » September 20th, 2019, 9:40 am

It says more about Biden and his pampered kid than it does about Trumper. It proves that all politicians are slimy-balls who never miss a chance to line their pockets. How else do all Congresspersons retire from office rich, regardless of humble beginnings?

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Post by ChemicalKat » September 20th, 2019, 10:00 am

RichardZ wrote:
September 20th, 2019, 9:35 am
Yup..

We never, ever have withheld aid whether it be $$$$ or the military wares or men to get what we want or point a country or leader of a country to point them in the direction we would like them to take. Nope...Never.
Not to attack a political opponent.

Honestly I’m not surprised you all are jumping through hoops to justify keeping the most corrupt president in the history of the United States, but these are serious hoops guys.

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Post by ChemicalKat » September 20th, 2019, 10:02 am

ToledoCat#2 wrote:
September 20th, 2019, 9:40 am
It says more about Biden and his pampered kid than it does about Trumper. It proves that all politicians are slimy-balls who never miss a chance to line their pockets. How else do all Congresspersons retire from office rich, regardless of humble beginnings?
How? If Biden needed investigating, then he would be investigated. You wouldn’t need to threaten the sovereignty of a foreign government to get an investigation.

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Post by DMC » September 20th, 2019, 1:18 pm

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house ... is-revived

Two years after leaving office, Joe Biden couldn’t resist the temptation last year to brag to an audience of foreign policy specialists about the time as vice president that he strong-armed Ukraine into firing its top prosecutor.

In his own words, with video cameras rolling, Biden described how he threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.

“I said, ‘You’re not getting the billion.’ I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money,’” Biden recalled telling Poroshenko.

“Well, son of a bitch, he got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time,” Biden told the Council on Foreign Relations event, insisting that President Obama was in on the threat.

Interviews with a half-dozen senior Ukrainian officials confirm Biden’s account, though they claim the pressure was applied over several months in late 2015 and early 2016, not just six hours of one dramatic day. Whatever the case, Poroshenko and Ukraine’s parliament obliged by ending Shokin’s tenure as prosecutor. Shokin was facing steep criticism in Ukraine, and among some U.S. officials, for not bringing enough corruption prosecutions when he was fired.

This is the guy who was checking into Biden and his son Hunter, kind of crazy how Biden and his kid walked out of the Ukraine and China with Billions, in questionable money, and the guy who is investigating it is fired after pressure from Biden and Obama.

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