Rigging "blue" elections

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Re: Rigging "blue" elections

Post by KITNooga » November 24th, 2021, 1:42 pm

ToledoCat#3 wrote:
November 24th, 2021, 12:25 pm
The voting rationale is pretty simple, really. If you want to vote, go through the process of becoming a legal citizen. Only legal citizens should have a voice in governance.
i will not just 'consistently' but ALWAYS land on the position that those who break the law or circumvent the law should not be rewarded. will there be some harsh decisions to be made that impact those who might be relatively innocent?

absolutely.

but perhaps someone can tell me just 'when' ignorance of the law is an allowable defense?
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Post by MGPcat » November 24th, 2021, 2:59 pm

ToledoCat#3 wrote:
November 23rd, 2021, 5:05 pm
Non-citizens voting! How is that constitutional?
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New York City lawmakers are poised to allow more than 800,000 New Yorkers who are green card holders or have the legal right to work in the United States to vote in municipal elections and for local ballot initiatives.

The bill, known as “Our City, Our Vote,” would make New York City the largest municipality in the country to allow noncitizens to vote in local elections.

How is this not constitutional? When answering, please cite the operant constitutional clause.

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Post by KITNooga » November 24th, 2021, 3:20 pm

looks like it's a case of state's rights:
The federal law does not prohibit noncitizens from voting in state or local elections, but no state has allowed noncitizens to vote in state elections since Arkansas became the last state to outlaw noncitizen voting in 1926.
so it's settled law for almost 100 years.

apprently the US constitution defines who CAN vote, but not who can not vote.


now, answer this: why would you WANT non-citizens to participate in determining the direction of this country?

wouldn't that be a little like your Thanksgiving guests telling you what you will serve? when you will serve it?
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Post by ChemicalKat » November 24th, 2021, 7:28 pm

spot2180 wrote:
November 24th, 2021, 7:45 am
ChemicalKat wrote:
November 23rd, 2021, 9:18 pm


That also does not make them illegal immigrants.
Sorry, but quasi-legal non citizens should not be able to vote in state or national elections. If they want to vote here, there is a process. The desire for the left to circumvent the process in order to take power indefinitely as soon as possible improves no ones' lives. Socialism is a failed system, proven over and over again. You don't have to be a student of history to know that is a fact. Thinking today's American left could 'make it work' is just another example of that leftist-hated concept of American exceptionalism. And from what we've seen for the last 11 months, the socialists whispering in Biden's ear and writing the text on the teleprompter, today's American leftists have no intention of 'making socialism work'.

And I'm pretty sure Mexico wouldn't allow you to vote in their elections, green card or not. In fact, I think they are pretty emphatic about it.
There’s an argument to not let green card holders vote. But that still doesn’t make them illegal immigrants like you stated.

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Post by spot2180 » November 24th, 2021, 8:00 pm

ChemicalKat wrote:
November 24th, 2021, 7:28 pm
spot2180 wrote:
November 24th, 2021, 7:45 am


Sorry, but quasi-legal non citizens should not be able to vote in state or national elections. If they want to vote here, there is a process. The desire for the left to circumvent the process in order to take power indefinitely as soon as possible improves no ones' lives. Socialism is a failed system, proven over and over again. You don't have to be a student of history to know that is a fact. Thinking today's American left could 'make it work' is just another example of that leftist-hated concept of American exceptionalism. And from what we've seen for the last 11 months, the socialists whispering in Biden's ear and writing the text on the teleprompter, today's American leftists have no intention of 'making socialism work'.

And I'm pretty sure Mexico wouldn't allow you to vote in their elections, green card or not. In fact, I think they are pretty emphatic about it.
There’s an argument to not let green card holders vote. But that still doesn’t make them illegal immigrants like you stated.
So they aren't citizens. Got it. Still shouldn't vote. You can be legally in a country like Mexico, and still not allowed to vote. You are ok with it because they will likely vote democrat. If they were likely to vote republican, you'd be pissed off about it. Non citizens should not vote. There is a process.
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Post by ChemicalKat » November 24th, 2021, 10:25 pm

spot2180 wrote:
November 24th, 2021, 8:00 pm
ChemicalKat wrote:
November 24th, 2021, 7:28 pm


There’s an argument to not let green card holders vote. But that still doesn’t make them illegal immigrants like you stated.
So they aren't citizens. Got it. Still shouldn't vote. You can be legally in a country like Mexico, and still not allowed to vote. You are ok with it because they will likely vote democrat. If they were likely to vote republican, you'd be pissed off about it. Non citizens should not vote. There is a process.
I didn’t say I was okay with it. Just corrected you on calling them illegal immigrants.

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Post by MGPcat » November 25th, 2021, 3:03 pm

KITNooga wrote:
November 24th, 2021, 3:20 pm
looks like it's a case of state's rights:
The federal law does not prohibit noncitizens from voting in state or local elections, but no state has allowed noncitizens to vote in state elections since Arkansas became the last state to outlaw noncitizen voting in 1926.
so it's settled law for almost 100 years.

apprently the US constitution defines who CAN vote, but not who can not vote.


now, answer this: why would you WANT non-citizens to participate in determining the direction of this country?

wouldn't that be a little like your Thanksgiving guests telling you what you will serve? when you will serve it?
Because local elections don’t determine the direction of the country, they impact the lives of the people that live in those communities, almost all of which pay taxes and some of who can are not citizens.

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