Former GOP Presidential Candidate Herman Cain Passes

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Re: Former GOP Presidential Candidate Herman Cain Passes

Post by KITNooga » August 1st, 2020, 7:10 pm

xtrawildcat wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 9:23 pm
And if you think social distancing and wearing a mask does not allow you to live, we disagree.
yes, yes we do disagree. now, again, for the 'umpteenth' time (somewhere right around 'juneteenth' in terms of maginitude I suppose): local regs require me to wear a mask in public. I comply. that makes me a LAW ABIDING CITIZEN. instead of an unruly mob.

I don't 'protest' by not wearing a mask in public. but I do chafe and disagree over the intrusion of govt into this.

in addition, X, I 'can't' and won't go see my 85 year old parents, one of whom is struggling with some serious health issues, because they are in 'that demographic.

I continue to say this, and to be clear the science is not clear on this, no matter how the left and MSM wants to 'market it' differently: the science is mixed on efficacy of masks. the evidence is primarily anecdotal as to benefits and our own govt has provided mixed messages (dr faucci, CDC) through the past months. I can understand 'why', but to be clear, it was all about manipulating our behaviors.

manipulating our behaviors with 'engineered' messaging. think about that for a while.

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Post by xtrawildcat » August 1st, 2020, 8:09 pm

The science is actually quite clean and compelling for both wearing face masks and social distancing.

The CDC recommends wearing face masks and in fact says that the US could get the virus under control in six weeks with 95% compliance. And the CDC did not change their guidance on April 3 without data as it involved a somewhat embarassing 180 turn from their initial guidance on face masks.

These are some of the studies listed by the CDC to support the recommendation for face masks to prevent Covid spread.

Davies A, Thompson KA, Giri K, Kafatos G, Walker J, Bennett A. Testing the efficacy of homemade masks: would they protect in an influenza pandemic? Disaster Med Public Health Prep. 2013;7(4):413-8. PMID: 24229526external icon

Konda A, Prakash A, Moss GA, Schmoldt M, Grant GD, Guha S. Aerosol Filtration Efficiency of Common Fabrics Used in Respiratory Cloth Masks. ACS Nano. 2020 Apr 24. PMID: 32329337external icon

Aydin O, Emon B, Saif MTA. Performance of fabrics for home-made masks against spread of respiratory infection through droplets: a quantitative mechanistic study. medRxiv preprint doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.04.19.20071779, posted April 24, 2020.

Ma QX, Shan H, Zhang HL, Li GM, Yang RM, Chen JM. Potential utilities of mask-wearing and instant hand hygiene for fighting SARS-CoV-2. J Med Virol. 2020. PMID: 32232986external icon

Leung, N.H.L., Chu, D.K.W., Shiu, E.Y.C. et al.Respiratory virus shedding in exhaled breath and efficacy of face masks. Nat Med. 2020. PMID: 32371934external icon

Johnson DF, Druce JD, Birch C, Grayson ML. A quantitative assessment of the efficacy of surgical and N95 masks to filter influenza virus in patients with acute influenza infection. Clin Infect Dis. 2009 Jul 15;49(2):275-7. PMID: 19522650external icon

Green CF, Davidson CS, Panlilio AL, et al. Effectiveness of selected surgical masks in arresting vegetative cells and endospores when worn by simulated contagious patients. Infect Control Hosp Epidemiol. 2012;33(5):487‐494. PMID: 22476275external icon


And these are some of the studies the CDC used to verify aerosol spread of Covid in asymptomatic and pre symptomatice cases

Rothe C, Schunk M, Sothmann P, et al. Transmission of 2019-nCoV Infection from an Asymptomatic Contact in Germany. The New England journal of medicine. 2020;382(10):970-971. PMID: 32003551external icon
Zou L, Ruan F, Huang M, et al. SARS-CoV-2 Viral Load in Upper Respiratory Specimens of Infected Patients. The New England journal of medicine. 2020;382(12):1177-1179. PMID: 32074444external icon
Pan X, Chen D, Xia Y, et al. Asymptomatic cases in a family cluster with SARS-CoV-2 infection. The Lancet Infectious diseases. 2020. PMID: 32087116external icon
Bai Y, Yao L, Wei T, et al. Presumed Asymptomatic Carrier Transmission of COVID-19. Jama. 2020. PMID: 32083643external icon
Kimball A HK, Arons M, et al. Asymptomatic and Presymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 Infections in Residents of a Long-Term Care Skilled Nursing Facility — King County, Washington, March 2020. MMWR Morbidity and mortality weekly report. 2020; ePub: 27 March 2020. PMID: 32240128external icon
Wei WE LZ, Chiew CJ, Yong SE, Toh MP, Lee VJ. Presymptomatic Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 — Singapore, January 23–March 16, 2020. MMWR Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. 2020;ePub: 1 April 2020. PMID: 32271722external icon
Li R, Pei S, Chen B, et al. Substantial undocumented infection facilitates the rapid dissemination of novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV2). Science (New York, NY). 2020. PMID: 32179701external icon
Furukawa NW, Brooks JT, Sobel J. Evidence Supporting Transmission of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 While Presymptomatic or Asymptomatic [published online ahead of print, 2020 May 4]. Emerg Infect Dis. 2020;26(7):10.3201/eid2607.201595. Link
Oran DP, Topol Prevalence of Asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 Infection: A Narrative Review [published online ahead of print, 2020 Jun 3]. Ann Intern Med. 2020;M20-3012. PMID: 32491919external icon
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2020. Rapid Expert Consultation on the Possibility of Bioaerosol Spread of SARS-CoV-2 for the COVID-19 Pandemic (April 1, 2020). Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. https://doi.org/10.17226/25769external icon.
Schwartz KL, Murti M, Finkelstein M, et al. Lack of COVID-19 transmission on an international flight. CMAJ. 2020;192(15):E410. PMID: 32392504external icon
Anfinrud P, Stadnytskyi V, Bax CE, Bax A. Visualizing Speech-Generated Oral Fluid Droplets with Laser Light Scattering. N Engl J Med. 2020 Apr 15. doi:10.1056/NEJMc2007800. PMID: 32294341external icon

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Post by KITNooga » August 2nd, 2020, 12:57 am

ever notice how the govt, no matter the message, finds 'clear and compelling' studies/info to support their position?

suppose not.

wearing a mask will not GUARANTEE my health or those around me. unless you want to tell me unequivocably that ME wearing a mask INSURES that I will not get COVID?

i thought not. why is that?

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Post by spot2180 » August 2nd, 2020, 6:24 am

Again, xtra, 'mitigate' does not mean 'prevent'.

It would be a great thing to finally get Fauci to sacrifice his ideology for factual data, wouldn't it, xtra?
"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." ~ Aldous Huxley
"Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." - Thomas Sowell

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Post by xtrawildcat » August 2nd, 2020, 7:30 am

KITNooga wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 12:57 am
ever notice how the govt, no matter the message, finds 'clear and compelling' studies/info to support their position?

suppose not.

wearing a mask will not GUARANTEE my health or those around me. unless you want to tell me unequivocably that ME wearing a mask INSURES that I will not get COVID?

i thought not. why is that?
I don't know if you are a mask denier or just taking a position because that is where Trump seems to be.

CDC uses science and data to support their guidelines. You are simply ignoring clear and compelling evidence. On top of that you are ignoring common sense.

Wearing a seat belt does not guarantee you or the others with you in a car will not die. But the government will give you a ticket if you do not wear one. Why is that any different than mandating a mask.

You wearing a mask along with the other people around you greatly reduces the chance of being infected with Covid. That is clear and compelling and not in dispute. You can choose to decide that keeping Covid under control is not important enough to mandate people wearing them. But we are now living that reality and the economy is faltering due to Covid not being under control.

Trump not getting surgical masks to every citizen and using his platform to push for their universal adoption is a failure. Having a campaign rally in Tampa with nearly everyone of his supporters at that event not social distancing or wearing masks is demonstrating exactly the behavior that is killing the economy.

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Post by Ksuminnesotacat » August 2nd, 2020, 7:42 am

Still waiting extra for the pit bull like tenacity to ferret out the facts for us deniers on this

https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/08/01/887056/

D.C. Mayor Gives Politicians Coming Back from Lewis Funeral a Pass on Quarantine Restrictions
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Post by xtrawildcat » August 2nd, 2020, 8:21 am

Ksuminnesotacat wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 7:42 am
Still waiting extra for the pit bull like tenacity to ferret out the facts for us deniers on this

https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/08/01/887056/

D.C. Mayor Gives Politicians Coming Back from Lewis Funeral a Pass on Quarantine Restrictions

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Good for you.

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Post by KITNooga » August 2nd, 2020, 8:29 am

xtrawildcat wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 7:30 am
I don't know if you are a mask denier or just taking a position because that is where Trump seems to be.

CDC uses science and data to support their guidelines. You are simply ignoring clear and compelling evidence. On top of that you are ignoring common sense.

Wearing a seat belt does not guarantee you or the others with you in a car will not die. But the government will give you a ticket if you do not wear one. Why is that any different than mandating a mask.
wearing a seatbelt, wearing a helmet on a motorcycle - more govt over-reach. 'why do we wear PFD's on boats?' not so much cause it saves lives. it makes body recovery easier.

you want to make th is about saving lives? why do we not also, then, bring in the issue of abortion? the 'my body/my choice' discussion is real. the person whose life is terminated, however, has no say. their 'my body, my life' seems not to matter. perhaps because they have no voice?

but let them get to teenage, middle-age, old-age, heck-any-age where they can communicate, then ask them: did you ever wish your mother had aborted you?

what do you suppose their answer would 'tend' to be?

and we 'terminate' about 1 million 'silent' people each year through abortion. Logically, I'm just asking: why not 'my body, my choice' in THIS matter?

by the way, don't wrestle with 'where I am' as either a denier or a trump supporter...as frankly this has to do with neither.

Perhaps that's why you miss this point. YOUR need to 'put me in a box of YOUR convenience'. Perhaps if you would imagine me as a 25 year old black woman it might make this easier?
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