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Press, trying to disconnect Biden on issues from Obama presidency. Obama is making this about him.

Posted: July 30th, 2020, 7:14 am
by SCKSCat
On some issues Biden sells himself to be in lockstep with Obama and touts the record of the Obama Biden administration as proof he can do whatever. For example on race relations.

This is pushed by the press, but when the Obama administration record is not so hot, they try to portray Joe as different. They are now saying that he will be tough on China. The Obama Chinese policy on China was a FLOP.

Biden wants people to vote for him as 2.0 Obama. As such, Biden should be held to the good, bad, and uglies of the Obama administration by the press, in my opinion.

Re: Press, trying to disconnect Biden on issues from Obama presidency

Posted: July 30th, 2020, 7:37 am
by spot2180
Why wouldn't they tout Biden's connection to Obama? Oh, because he was spying and doing some other unsavory things and Biden was his shadow?

When Biden wins, his connections to Saint Barak Obama will be touted, highlighted, and held up as modern day miracles.

Re: Press, trying to disconnect Biden on issues from Obama presidency

Posted: July 30th, 2020, 7:49 am
by xtrawildcat
SCKSCat wrote:
July 30th, 2020, 7:14 am
On some issues Biden sells himself to be in lockstep with Obama and touts the record of the Obama Biden administration as proof he can do whatever. For example on race relations.

This is pushed by the press, but when the Obama administration record is not so hot, they try to portray Joe as different. They are now saying that he will be tough on China. The Obama Chinese policy on China was a FLOP.

Biden wants people to vote for him as 2.0 Obama. As such, Biden should be held to the good, bad, and uglies of the Obama administration by the press, in my opinion.
Whether you agree it was good policy or not, the primary Obama policy on China was to be the Trans Pacific Partnership, Members of the TPP would have been able to leverage their trade volume to have more control on Chinese trade practices. And would have provided the same or better trade terms that we currently have with Canada.


TPP Pros
The original TPP would have boosted U.S. exports and economic growth. This would have created more jobs and prosperity for the 12 countries involved. It would have increased exports by $305 billion per year by 2025.13 U.S. exports would increase by $123.5 billion. It would benefit the machinery, auto, plastics, and agriculture industries.

It would have increased exports by removing 18,000 tariffs placed on U.S. exports to the other countries. The United States has already withdrawn 80% of these tariffs on imports.14 The TPP would have evened the playing field.

The agreement would have added $223 billion a year to incomes of workers in all the countries, with $77 billion going to U.S. workers.

The TPP trade area would have been bigger than the North American Free Trade Agreement, currently the world’s largest.

In 2017, the estimated trade value among all countries was $1.1 trillion.  It would have been smaller than the TTIP.17 That's the other large regional trade agreement being negotiated. It’s between the United States and the European Union. Talks went into limbo when Trump took office.

Notably, the TPP excluded China. That was deliberate. It was meant to balance the trade dominance of both China and India in East Asia. The TPP would have given the United States an excuse to intervene in trade disputes in the oil-rich South China Sea. China has been beefing up its military to back its incursions in that area.


TPP Cons
Most of the gains in income would have gone to workers making more than $87,000 a year.19 Free trade agreements contribute to income inequality in high-wage countries. They promote cheaper goods from low-wage countries.

This would have been particularly true for the TPP because it protected patents and copyrights.3 Higher-paid owners of intellectual property would have received more of the income gains.

The agreement regarding patents would have reduced the availability of cheap generics. That could have raised the cost of many drugs. Competitive business pressures would have reduced the incentives in Asia to protect the environment. Last but not least, the trade agreement could have superseded financial regulations.

Re: Press, trying to disconnect Biden on issues from Obama presidency

Posted: July 30th, 2020, 8:44 am
by ToledoCat#3
It's pure BS that a nation can trade itself into prosperity. A nation gains economically only when it has a trade advantage, otherwise it's a wash or a loss. History is replete with examples of nations with failed long-term global trade. The U.S. is the most recent example.

Our nation's massive public and private debt can be traced directly to its pursuit of "cheaper and cheaper global goods and services."

Global trade is good only for goods and services that are unavailable within nation. Otherwise all should be made or done at home.

Trusting the CCP on anything is folly. Anyone who believes otherwise believes in the Tooth Fairy, too.

Re: Press, trying to disconnect Biden on issues from Obama presidency

Posted: July 30th, 2020, 8:47 am
by WIldWIllieCat
Good post xtra.

Re: Press, trying to disconnect Biden on issues from Obama presidency

Posted: July 30th, 2020, 8:58 am
by spot2180
Cons: supply chains in medicine could kill numerous people in hospital beds when the ChiComs decide to impost their will on Taiwan and numerious other places.

Why you would defend that, xtra, is beyond me.

I'll remind you of something you've had to try very hard to ignore when it comes to Biden and China: Baby Boy Hunter "worked" for a firm called the Burnham Financial Group who was part of several shady scams that got people in the firm arrested, but not Baby Boy Hunter. He somehow escaped scrutiny.
There was, for example, Hunter’s involvement with an entity called Burnham Financial Group, where his business partner Devon Archer — who’d been at Yale with Hunter — sat on the board of directors. Burnham became the vehicle for a number of murky deals abroad, involving connected oligarchs in Kazakhstan and state-owned businesses in China.

But one of the most troubling Burnham ventures was here in the United States, in which Burnham became the center of a federal investigation involving a $60 million fraud scheme against one of the poorest Indian tribes in America, the Oglala Sioux.

Devon Archer was arrested in New York in May 2016 and charged with “orchestrating a scheme to defraud investors and a Native American tribal entity of tens of millions of dollars.” Other victims of the fraud included several public and union pension plans. Although Hunter Biden was not charged in the case, his fingerprints were all over Burnham. The “legitimacy” that his name and political status as the vice president’s son lent to the plan was brought up repeatedly in the trial.
https://nypost.com/2020/01/18/how-five- ... nnections/

You rail on Trump incessantly and repeatedly post negative information on Trump like the heinous act of lying about first pitches. You are just as negative about about Trump's kids. Somehow, you find it within yourself to pardon Biden's influence peddling and shady deals along with his family's shady deals that made them fortunes.

As you claim to be a conservative, you will vote for Biden who is promising to push a progressive agenda that will bankrupt the country. If you were truly a conservative voter at one time, you are making a conscious decision based on Trump's personality. That trumps the conservative policies that Trump has implemented that are actually helpful to the country. What it must be like to hate the personality of someone so much that conservative never Trumpers are willing to punish the entire country for it.

Re: Press, trying to disconnect Biden on issues from Obama presidency

Posted: July 30th, 2020, 9:10 am
by xtrawildcat
spot2180 wrote:
July 30th, 2020, 8:58 am
Cons: supply chains in medicine could kill numerous people in hospital beds when the ChiComs decide to impost their will on Taiwan and numerious other places.

Why you would defend that, xtra, is beyond me.

I'll remind you of something you've had to try very hard to ignore when it comes to Biden and China: Baby Boy Hunter "worked" for a firm called the Burnham Financial Group who was part of several shady scams that got people in the firm arrested, but not Baby Boy Hunter. He somehow escaped scrutiny.
There was, for example, Hunter’s involvement with an entity called Burnham Financial Group, where his business partner Devon Archer — who’d been at Yale with Hunter — sat on the board of directors. Burnham became the vehicle for a number of murky deals abroad, involving connected oligarchs in Kazakhstan and state-owned businesses in China.

But one of the most troubling Burnham ventures was here in the United States, in which Burnham became the center of a federal investigation involving a $60 million fraud scheme against one of the poorest Indian tribes in America, the Oglala Sioux.

Devon Archer was arrested in New York in May 2016 and charged with “orchestrating a scheme to defraud investors and a Native American tribal entity of tens of millions of dollars.” Other victims of the fraud included several public and union pension plans. Although Hunter Biden was not charged in the case, his fingerprints were all over Burnham. The “legitimacy” that his name and political status as the vice president’s son lent to the plan was brought up repeatedly in the trial.
https://nypost.com/2020/01/18/how-five- ... nnections/

You rail on Trump incessantly and repeatedly post negative information on Trump like the heinous act of lying about first pitches. You are just as negative about about Trump's kids. Somehow, you find it within yourself to pardon Biden's influence peddling and shady deals along with his family's shady deals that made them fortunes.

As you claim to be a conservative, you will vote for Biden who is promising to push a progressive agenda that will bankrupt the country. If you were truly a conservative voter at one time, you are making a conscious decision based on Trump's personality. That trumps the conservative policies that Trump has implemented that are actually helpful to the country. What it must be like to hate the personality of someone so much that conservative never Trumpers are willing to punish the entire country for it.
No idea how Burnham and a scheme to defraud Native Americans has anything to do with TPP,

I didn't even defend the TPP. I just presented the Obama policy and pros and cons put out by The Balance that is rated as Least Biased and High on Factual Reporting.
Media Bias Fact Check - Overall, we rate The Balance Least Biased based on minimal use of loaded language and balanced reporting of financial news. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to excellent sourcing and a clean fact check record.

However, sounds like you want me to defend the TPP,
You are saying we will be in big trouble because with TPP we won't be able to import drugs. But the TPP was put together to allow a large economic trading block that could not only stand up to China but also pressure China due to their combined influence on Chinas ability to trade.

Re: Press, trying to disconnect Biden on issues from Obama presidency. Obama is making this about him.

Posted: August 1st, 2020, 10:24 am
by SCKSCat
Obama used a funeral for a campaign event to make this an election about him. He has decided to overshadow Biden and suck out the oxygen. I would not be surprised if we see nothing from Biden, but Obama will be very visible and supposedly campaigning for Biden.

The Hillary secret weapon. That went well.

Re: Press, trying to disconnect Biden on issues from Obama presidency. Obama is making this about him.

Posted: August 1st, 2020, 10:26 am
by WIldWIllieCat
Consider as well that you've already conceded that your incapable of being rational regarding all things relating to President Obama. You're not alone by the way....