who you got on your all-time college team?

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Re: who you got on your all-time college team?

Post by katlander » April 20th, 2020, 8:46 am

Kind of amazing there has been no mention of MJ to this point. By the time he turned pro many were aware he was the greatest basketball talent in the land. After the Olympics and before his rookie season Bobby Knight said as much. After his rookie season most basketball greats were on board. Bird and Magic were in awe of MJ. He may head this list if he had stayed at NC for his senior season, and he almost did. He didn't really peak out until he had turned pro.

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Post by ToledoCat#3 » April 20th, 2020, 9:17 am

I'd put THE BEAZ on the list of best all-time one-and-done players.

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Post by tmcats » April 20th, 2020, 9:52 am

katlander wrote:
April 20th, 2020, 8:46 am
Kind of amazing there has been no mention of MJ to this point. By the time he turned pro many were aware he was the greatest basketball talent in the land. After the Olympics and before his rookie season Bobby Knight said as much. After his rookie season most basketball greats were on board. Bird and Magic were in awe of MJ. He may head this list if he had stayed at NC for his senior season, and he almost did. He didn't really peak out until he had turned pro.
ya, knight loved him some mj. but michael was somewhat of a late bloom in college. averaged 18 points in his three-year stay at unc. i'm sure he had to share the ball there unlike bradley at princeton for example.
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Post by katlander » April 20th, 2020, 3:06 pm

Stumbled upon this top 20 list:

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Post by RichardZ » April 22nd, 2020, 10:42 am

I was just thinking. The two best guards I ever saw working in college ball together were Gail Goodrich and Walt Hazzard. And if that wasn't enough Jerry West was the starter at guard at that time for UCLA. Goodrich was the back up.

Funniest line I ever heard. Hot Rod Hundley was broadcasting a BB game and mentioned the greatest game in his memory was when he and Elgin Baylor combined for 84 points. He had 8 and Elgin had 76!
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Post by tmcats » April 22nd, 2020, 10:45 am

RichardZ wrote:
April 22nd, 2020, 10:42 am
I was just thinking. The two best guards I ever saw working in college ball together were Gail Goodrich and Walt Hazzard. And if that wasn't enough Jerry West was the starter at guard at that time for UCLA. Goodrich was the back up.

Funniest line I ever heard. Hot Rod Hundley was broadcasting a BB game and mentioned the greatest game in his memory was when he and Elgin Baylor combined for 84 points. He had 8 and Elgin had 76!
elgin was a joy to watch, for sure. but jerry west went to west virginia, not ucla.
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Post by RichardZ » April 22nd, 2020, 8:19 pm

oh me bad! Got carried away.
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Post by catl » April 22nd, 2020, 9:26 pm

Others that should be considered are Austin Carr and Calvin Murphy, both were great college players

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Post by ToledoCat#3 » April 23rd, 2020, 8:45 am

RZ, you and I must have watched the UCLA-KSU game in Ahearn. UCLA had Hazzard and Goodrich, plus Fred Slaughter at center who was from Topeka (I think -- for sure he was from KS). They beat Tex and the Cats, but it was a memorable game. I second your Haz=Good pick for all time combo.

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Post by katlander » April 23rd, 2020, 9:46 am

Pretty sure that West and Goodrich were the starting guards for the Lakers at one point. Wilt may have been the center with an aging Elgin Baylor at one forward. I think these guys were all on the team at the same time. Can't remember who the 5th may have been but he likely didn't have to do a lot. If correct this has to be one of the best teams ever assembled. I thin k they often did battle with the Celtics in the finals.

I looked it up. It was the 1970-1971 team and Goodrich was not on the roster the previous year.

22 Elgin Baylor SF 6-5 225 September 16, 1934 us 12 Albertson College of Idaho, Seattle University
13 Wilt Chamberlain C 7-1 275 August 21, 1936 us 11 Kansas
24 Keith Erickson SF 6-5 195 April 19, 1944 us 5 UCLA
25 Gail Goodrich SG 6-1 170 April 23, 1943 us 5 UCLA
52 Happy Hairston PF 6-7 225 May 31, 1942 us 6 NYU
30 Fred Hetzel SF 6-8 220 July 21, 1942 us 5 Davidson
20 Earnie Killum G 6-3 180 June 11, 1948 R Stetson University
15 Willie McCarter SG 6-3 175 July 26, 1946 us 1 Drake University
5 Jim McMillian SF 6-5 215 March 11, 1948 us R Columbia University
12 Pat Riley SG 6-4 205 March 20, 1945 us 3 Kentucky
35 Rick Roberson C 6-9 231 July 7, 1947 us 1 Cincinnati
14 John Tresvant PF 6-7 215 November 6, 1939 6 Seattle University
44 Jerry West PG 6-2 175 May 28, 1938 us 10 West Virginia

Here are their stats:

Rk Age G GS MP FG FGA FG% FT FTA FT% TRB AST PF PTS/G
1 Wilt Chamberlain 34 82 44.3 8.1 15.0 .545 4.4 8.2 .538 18.2 4.3 2.1 20.7
2 Jerry West 32 69 41.2 9.7 19.6 .494 7.6 9.1 .832 4.6 9.5 2.6 26.9
3 Happy Hairston 28 80 36.5 7.2 15.4 .466 4.2 5.4 .782 10.0 2.1 3.2 18.6
4 Gail Goodrich 27 79 35.5 7.1 14.9 .475 3.3 4.3 .770 3.3 4.8 3.3 17.5
5 Keith Erickson 26 73 31.1 5.1 10.7 .471 1.2 1.5 .759 5.5 3.1 3.3 11.3
6 Elgin Baylor 36 2 28.5 4.0 9.5 .421 2.0 3.0 .667 5.5 1.0 3.0 10.0
7 Jim McMillian 22 81 21.6 3.6 7.8 .459 1.2 1.6 .769 4.1 1.6 1.5 8.4
8 Willie McCarter 24 76 18.0 3.3 7.8 .417 0.6 1.0 .597 1.6 1.7 2.0 7.1
9 Rick Roberson 23 65 14.0 1.9 4.6 .415 1.4 2.2 .615 4.7 0.7 1.9 5.2
10 Fred Hetzel 28 59 10.4 1.9 4.3 .434 1.0 1.3 .779 2.5 0.6 1.7 4.8
11 Pat Riley 25 54 9.4 1.9 4.7 .413 1.0 1.6 .644 1.0 1.3 1.6 4.9
12 John Tresvant 31 8 8.3 2.3 4.4 .514 0.9 1.3 .700 2.9 1.3 1.4 5.4
13 Earnie Killum 22 4 3.0 0.0 1.0 .000 0.3 0.3 1.000 0.5 0.0 0.3 0.3

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