Donavan Williams - Do these guys know something?

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Re: Donavan Williams - Do these guys know something?

Post by bhoovy » April 16th, 2020, 4:39 pm

AJcat7755 wrote:
April 16th, 2020, 2:27 pm
bhoovy wrote:
April 16th, 2020, 2:21 pm


So I wonder what was the appeal for Cunningham to choose to go to OSU. He’s from Texas. Plenty of big time schools in that state to play for one year.

Where was Kentucky, Duke, Kansas, Michigan St, Arizona, Gonzaga, Florida? Not like OSU has been very relevant at all in recent history.
Well OSU hired his brother on their staff, makes the decision easier for Cade. After all, 1 year as the Tulane "associate director of video operations" does make him qualified to be an assistant coach at a P5 school, it had nothing to do with Cade and Cade was totally considering other schools......

https://okstate.com/sports/mens-basketb ... ngham/1720
Ahh. :roll:

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Post by csteel25 » April 16th, 2020, 6:36 pm

Learned from the best/worst...

"Cunningham had a strong four-year collegiate career at SMU from 2011-15, where he established a program record for games played with 134 and helped the Mustangs reach the 2015 NCAA Tournament under head coach LARRY BROWN."

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Post by stlcatfan » April 17th, 2020, 12:45 am

csteel25 wrote:
April 16th, 2020, 6:36 pm
Learned from the best/worst...

"Cunningham had a strong four-year collegiate career at SMU from 2011-15, where he established a program record for games played with 134 and helped the Mustangs reach the 2015 NCAA Tournament under head coach LARRY BROWN."
Wait. Are you insinuating that Larry Brown, who is as pure as the wind-driven snow, would do something so unscrupulous as to hire Ed Manning (who was driving trucks at the time) as an assistant coach simply to get his son Danny, who just happened to be the top prospect in the nation? Nah. I'm sure Ed was just the best coach available at the time. ;-)

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Post by Hypeman » April 17th, 2020, 6:49 am

stlcatfan wrote:
April 17th, 2020, 12:45 am
csteel25 wrote:
April 16th, 2020, 6:36 pm
Learned from the best/worst...

"Cunningham had a strong four-year collegiate career at SMU from 2011-15, where he established a program record for games played with 134 and helped the Mustangs reach the 2015 NCAA Tournament under head coach LARRY BROWN."
Wait. Are you insinuating that Larry Brown, who is as pure as the wind-driven snow, would do something so unscrupulous as to hire Ed Manning (who was driving trucks at the time) as an assistant coach simply to get his son Danny, who just happened to be the top prospect in the nation? Nah. I'm sure Ed was just the best coach available at the time. ;-)
Uh, that happens all the time, even at Kansas State. It’s currently going on in our women’s program.

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Post by csteel25 » April 17th, 2020, 8:45 am

Hypeman wrote:
April 17th, 2020, 6:49 am
stlcatfan wrote:
April 17th, 2020, 12:45 am


Wait. Are you insinuating that Larry Brown, who is as pure as the wind-driven snow, would do something so unscrupulous as to hire Ed Manning (who was driving trucks at the time) as an assistant coach simply to get his son Danny, who just happened to be the top prospect in the nation? Nah. I'm sure Ed was just the best coach available at the time. ;-)
Uh, that happens all the time, even at Kansas State. It’s currently going on in our women’s program.
True that. But it's a long journey from Asst Video Director to Asst Coach. But coattails are a fast ride.

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Post by AJcat7755 » April 17th, 2020, 9:43 am

Hypeman wrote:
April 17th, 2020, 6:49 am
stlcatfan wrote:
April 17th, 2020, 12:45 am


Wait. Are you insinuating that Larry Brown, who is as pure as the wind-driven snow, would do something so unscrupulous as to hire Ed Manning (who was driving trucks at the time) as an assistant coach simply to get his son Danny, who just happened to be the top prospect in the nation? Nah. I'm sure Ed was just the best coach available at the time. ;-)
Uh, that happens all the time, even at Kansas State. It’s currently going on in our women’s program.
Yes it does, but some actually have better credentials to work on the staff and it looks far less on obvious move then going from truck driver, or associate director of video to assistant coach.

Carr played 6 years in the NBA. He they went on to form a skills academy and coach both AAU girls and boys. He then spent 5 years as a HS basketball coach. KSU also didn't hire him directly to an assistant coach, he first came in as a director of student-athlete development. Even without a daughter that played, those are enough credentials to get someone hired for that role. If he didn't have a daughter that he wanted to coach, he actually would have made a decent hire in the mens side given he played for Chris Lowery, when they were looking for a coach this year (very similar to how Brad Korn ended up at KSU via Lowery).

AAU coaches and HS coaches get hired all the time for their connections to players, like Ronnie Chalmers and Dalonte Hill, and those seem a bit more believable. Lets see how long Cunningham stays at OSU once his brother is gone. I can't recall too many times that it was an older brother though, mostly is parents or close coaches.

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Post by tmcats » April 17th, 2020, 9:59 am

missouri hired the porters' father and got the sons to sign. he's still on staff there.

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Post by Hypeman » April 17th, 2020, 10:36 am

AJcat7755 wrote:
April 17th, 2020, 9:43 am
Hypeman wrote:
April 17th, 2020, 6:49 am


Uh, that happens all the time, even at Kansas State. It’s currently going on in our women’s program.
Yes it does, but some actually have better credentials to work on the staff and it looks far less on obvious move then going from truck driver, or associate director of video to assistant coach.

Carr played 6 years in the NBA. He they went on to form a skills academy and coach both AAU girls and boys. He then spent 5 years as a HS basketball coach. KSU also didn't hire him directly to an assistant coach, he first came in as a director of student-athlete development. Even without a daughter that played, those are enough credentials to get someone hired for that role. If he didn't have a daughter that he wanted to coach, he actually would have made a decent hire in the mens side given he played for Chris Lowery, when they were looking for a coach this year (very similar to how Brad Korn ended up at KSU via Lowery).

AAU coaches and HS coaches get hired all the time for their connections to players, like Ronnie Chalmers and Dalonte Hill, and those seem a bit more believable. Lets see how long Cunningham stays at OSU once his brother is gone. I can't recall too many times that it was an older brother though, mostly is parents or close coaches.
It sounds like older brother has the background to make it look legit, like most of these situations.

It would have been believable if Carr would have joined the men’s coaching staff, but the timing etc. of his arrival to the women’s team makes it pretty obvious he joined as payment for his daughter’s services.

All schools do it. KSU is as dirty as most outside the super slimy schools like KU or Baylor or Louisville or North Carolina or Kentucky where they start venturing into criminal actions.

One other thought, if coaching AAU helps make one qualified. Nearly every dad in America is now qualified to be an NCAA coach! Their dream has come true! (That was supposed to be a joke)

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Post by tmcats » April 17th, 2020, 10:56 am

no doubt carr was hired due to his daughter's aptitude. but to suggest he's not qualified is silly.
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Post by bindweed » April 17th, 2020, 4:14 pm

Just think if Jack would have hired Manning's dad instead of KU. We might have a national championship banner hanging in the rafter's.

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