More unwritten rules

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Re: More unwritten rules

Post by xtrawildcat » February 3rd, 2020, 8:55 am

Hypeman wrote:
February 2nd, 2020, 11:19 pm
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk ... li=BBnbfcL

Looks like these unsportsmanlike acts at the end of games are becoming an epidemic. A lot of punks playing ball nowadays. Frankly, this speaks to societal issues if you ask me. Snowflake society.
Thats right, these dam punks now days. That sounds like the grown ups talking back when I was in school. These dam kids now days.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk ... ar-BBZdSrQ

1. Ohio State/Minnesota (1972):
One name: Corky Romano Corky Taylor. Ohio State's Luke Witte hard on a breakaway before Minnesota's Taylor went to help him up to his feet. Except he didn't. Instead he gave Witte a nice knee to the groin. Police escorted players off the court, but not before another Gophers player stomped on a defenseless Witte's head. Minnesota's Dave Winfield also threw some punches, knocking out an OSU player. Witte had to spend the night in a ICU unit, and two other players joined him at the hospital.

2. KU vs MU basketball brawl in 1961
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUX1PXKww5w

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Post by Puffdad » February 3rd, 2020, 10:48 am

Can you imagine a “rule book” on how to behave??? LMAO...The basketball officials try to call the game by the rules of basketball.....not the rules of how to act. Do we want officials to hand out Bibles? That is exactly what we’re discussing here. Grow up and be responsible for your own team behavior and your own personal behavior. It’s common sense but common sense sometimes eludes us.
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Post by hilltopwildcat » February 3rd, 2020, 11:19 am

Puffdad wrote:
February 3rd, 2020, 10:48 am
Can you imagine a “rule book” on how to behave??? LMAO...The basketball officials try to call the game by the rules of basketball.....not the rules of how to act. Do we want officials to hand out Bibles? That is exactly what we’re discussing here. Grow up and be responsible for your own team behavior and your own personal behavior. It’s common sense but common sense sometimes eludes us.
Worked a girl's game Saturday, bigger schools but not the biggest in MO. We called at least 50 fouls (that's a foul and a half a minute). I was shown a comment in the paper from losing team's hometown. Officiating was inconsistent and had the players frustrated. Maybe back off, quit trying to play football and grabbing shirts when you're getting picked?

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Post by learnin » February 3rd, 2020, 2:40 pm

Puffdad wrote:
February 3rd, 2020, 10:48 am
Can you imagine a “rule book” on how to behave??? LMAO...The basketball officials try to call the game by the rules of basketball.....not the rules of how to act. Do we want officials to hand out Bibles? That is exactly what we’re discussing here. Grow up and be responsible for your own team behavior and your own personal behavior. It’s common sense but common sense sometimes eludes us.
All rules (law) are based on behavior. In important matters, behavior is legislated so that harm is not done to the common good. Slats Grobnik likes to get stewed and then get in his car to drive home. That's behavior, which is legislated so someone doesn't get harmed. In basketball, (sports) we legislate behavior for the good of the game. Who would watch basketball if we allowed players to behave in any manner they wish? John Doe wants to grab some good shooter's arm every time he puts up a shot. Jane Doe wants to step out of bounds on a drive along the baseline. Yes, sportsmanship is legislated for the good of basketball. Taunting is not allowed and that's a behavior. Flagrant 1 and 2's are issued for grabbing a player when you don't have a defense for him so he doesn't go down for an easy lay up and that's behavior. Coaches yelling at a ref get a technical and that is behavior. Swinging on the rim, after a dunk, can be met with a penalty.

Of course, we can't legislate every unsportsman like behavior. Someone honks at Mary and Mary flashes the middle finger. Cathy Honker doesn't like that so she cuts her off in traffic and it escalates. We can't legislate the giving of a middle finger, even though it was bad behavior, but at some point the behavior breaks a rule.

I'm simply saying this. Perhaps there should be some clearer rules regarding end of game scenarios so they don't lead to fights, which is bad for the game. If D. Gordon had been given a technical, no fight. If Silvio is given an immediate technical, there is no fight. But, perhaps there is too much gray area in some of these sportsmanship issues and that's why we don't legislate.

I can assure you that many coaches have walked off the court thinking they, and their team, behaved in a very sportsmanlike way and the other coach didn't think so. Such is the quandary of the unwritten rule.

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Post by learnin » February 3rd, 2020, 2:43 pm

hilltopwildcat wrote:
February 3rd, 2020, 11:19 am
Puffdad wrote:
February 3rd, 2020, 10:48 am
Can you imagine a “rule book” on how to behave??? LMAO...The basketball officials try to call the game by the rules of basketball.....not the rules of how to act. Do we want officials to hand out Bibles? That is exactly what we’re discussing here. Grow up and be responsible for your own team behavior and your own personal behavior. It’s common sense but common sense sometimes eludes us.
Worked a girl's game Saturday, bigger schools but not the biggest in MO. We called at least 50 fouls (that's a foul and a half a minute). I was shown a comment in the paper from losing team's hometown. Officiating was inconsistent and had the players frustrated. Maybe back off, quit trying to play football and grabbing shirts when you're getting picked?
Good for you, hilltop. I wish you would have officiated the WV game. There was so much grabbing of players to keep them from getting open that it might as well have been football.

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Post by wild@nite » February 3rd, 2020, 3:10 pm

learnin wrote:
February 3rd, 2020, 2:40 pm
Puffdad wrote:
February 3rd, 2020, 10:48 am
Can you imagine a “rule book” on how to behave??? LMAO...The basketball officials try to call the game by the rules of basketball.....not the rules of how to act. Do we want officials to hand out Bibles? That is exactly what we’re discussing here. Grow up and be responsible for your own team behavior and your own personal behavior. It’s common sense but common sense sometimes eludes us.
All rules (law) are based on behavior. In important matters, behavior is legislated so that harm is not done to the common good. Slats Grobnik likes to get stewed and then get in his car to drive home. That's behavior, which is legislated so someone doesn't get harmed. In basketball, (sports) we legislate behavior for the good of the game. Who would watch basketball if we allowed players to behave in any manner they wish? John Doe wants to grab some good shooter's arm every time he puts up a shot. Jane Doe wants to step out of bounds on a drive along the baseline. Yes, sportsmanship is legislated for the good of basketball. Taunting is not allowed and that's a behavior. Flagrant 1 and 2's are issued for grabbing a player when you don't have a defense for him so he doesn't go down for an easy lay up and that's behavior. Coaches yelling at a ref get a technical and that is behavior. Swinging on the rim, after a dunk, can be met with a penalty.

Of course, we can't legislate every unsportsman like behavior. Someone honks at Mary and Mary flashes the middle finger. Cathy Honker doesn't like that so she cuts her off in traffic and it escalates. We can't legislate the giving of a middle finger, even though it was bad behavior, but at some point the behavior breaks a rule.

I'm simply saying this. Perhaps there should be some clearer rules regarding end of game scenarios so they don't lead to fights, which is bad for the game. If D. Gordon had been given a technical, no fight. If Silvio is given an immediate technical, there is no fight. But, perhaps there is too much gray area in some of these sportsmanship issues and that's why we don't legislate.

I can assure you that many coaches have walked off the court thinking they, and their team, behaved in a very sportsmanlike way and the other coach didn't think so. Such is the quandary of the unwritten rule.
Life, in general, is gray area. How we handle that gray area is what seperates us. Basketball is part of life and common sense choices are expected to prevail. Too many rules and regulations would make the game boring. People gave to be trusted to make good decisions. When they don't, there are consequences. No need to add rules for an outlying incident. Learn from it and move on. That's life.

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Post by WIldWIllieCat » February 3rd, 2020, 5:36 pm

xtrawildcat wrote:
February 3rd, 2020, 8:55 am
Hypeman wrote:
February 2nd, 2020, 11:19 pm
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk ... li=BBnbfcL

Looks like these unsportsmanlike acts at the end of games are becoming an epidemic. A lot of punks playing ball nowadays. Frankly, this speaks to societal issues if you ask me. Snowflake society.
Thats right, these dam punks now days. That sounds like the grown ups talking back when I was in school. These dam kids now days.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk ... ar-BBZdSrQ

1. Ohio State/Minnesota (1972):
One name: Corky Romano Corky Taylor. Ohio State's Luke Witte hard on a breakaway before Minnesota's Taylor went to help him up to his feet. Except he didn't. Instead he gave Witte a nice knee to the groin. Police escorted players off the court, but not before another Gophers player stomped on a defenseless Witte's head. Minnesota's Dave Winfield also threw some punches, knocking out an OSU player. Witte had to spend the night in a ICU unit, and two other players joined him at the hospital.

2. KU vs MU basketball brawl in 1961
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUX1PXKww5w
nah.....can't be

darn kids these days!!! :roll:
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Post by Hypeman » February 3rd, 2020, 11:31 pm

WIldWIllieCat wrote:
February 3rd, 2020, 5:36 pm
xtrawildcat wrote:
February 3rd, 2020, 8:55 am


Thats right, these dam punks now days. That sounds like the grown ups talking back when I was in school. These dam kids now days.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk ... ar-BBZdSrQ

1. Ohio State/Minnesota (1972):
One name: Corky Romano Corky Taylor. Ohio State's Luke Witte hard on a breakaway before Minnesota's Taylor went to help him up to his feet. Except he didn't. Instead he gave Witte a nice knee to the groin. Police escorted players off the court, but not before another Gophers player stomped on a defenseless Witte's head. Minnesota's Dave Winfield also threw some punches, knocking out an OSU player. Witte had to spend the night in a ICU unit, and two other players joined him at the hospital.

2. KU vs MU basketball brawl in 1961
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUX1PXKww5w
nah.....can't be

darn kids these days!!! :roll:
Picking out a couple fights that occurred over the last 50 years doesn’t change the fact that the unsportsmanlike, bush league plays are getting to be more regular.
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Post by learnin » February 4th, 2020, 7:18 am

Keep in mind that the game is much more physical today.

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Post by WIldWIllieCat » February 4th, 2020, 7:52 am

my anecdotal evidence > your anecdotal evidence

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