wild@nite wrote: ↑
January 9th, 2020, 10:53 am
"Again" being the key word. Why does it come up so often? Yes, he has two titles, but he has some very underachieving teams too, just like at Illinois. If you win titles, you deserve accolades. If you finish 9th or 10th, you deserve the opposite. Some are so quick to give him credit, yet get so hurt when someone criticizes. Every coach in America that recruits and develops his players and goes from 1st to worst (or near it) is going to get hammered on message boards.
I'm not going down that road yet because I'm trying to remain open minded and I appreciate Bruce doing things the right way, but I can see why some would be frustrated with this. Year 8. Weak noncon home schedule. Coming off a conference title, etc... Not understanding why some would be frustrated is not very open minded of you. It goes both ways.
BW has been inconsistent as a HC here and at Illinois and every time he gets a chance to win over the fanbase here, he seems to poop his pants. It's really that simple. After this season, he will be right back hovering around a .500 conference record after 8 years.
I hope people hold off getting too emotional and hammering him, but I certainly understand the frustration. I want to see next year's class come in and D.Gordon, Murphy, etc... grow.
I have no problem with fans criticizing the coach. I've probably offered more criticism of coaching this year than most. I stated, last year, that if the team missed the tournament, it might be time for a change. I'm the one who has complained about the pecking order this year. I'm one who feels every aspect, and every figure involved in K-State sports, is fair game for proper criticism. I have a problem with posters who come to the discussion with an agenda. Don't get me wrong. Everyone is welcome, agenda or not, as long as they don't flaunt the rules. I'm simply going to point out the agendas when they present themselves. We all have preconceived notions and biases, which affect our reasoning. For much of my adult life, I was the most bias driven arguer this side of Pluto, but I was knocked down by my agenda in a big way so I promised myself I would open my mind. I would become a skeptic. I would no longer hand my reason over to some ideology.
Bruce Weber was hated because he was hired by John Currie. John was hated because he wouldn't put up with cheating and bad behavior.
Bruce Weber has managed to throw some water on this agenda, but the embers still glow and are waiting for the first opportunity to become a raging fire. I'm going to throw water on this as soon as it begins to ignite because Bruce Weber deserves it. It's not enough that he disproved all the first objections.
HE CAN'T WIN WITH HIS OWN PLAYERS. Remember that one? Well, he did win with his own players. In fact, Weber is the only coach who has won with his own players in over a generation. And he did so without cheating as did some of our past coaches. With the old accusation being laid to rest, what is the new accusation?
HE HAS GOOD SEASONS AND HE HAS BAD SEASONS. As do most coaches who take over a power five program that is not a blue blood and who does not cheat. When the good seasons cease to come about, or are far in between, then, I'll be the first to say it's time for a change. Until that time, I'm quite willing to support the program through the lean years.