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Re: si summary commentary on crooked coaches doings ...

Post by Opensource » May 14th, 2019, 7:49 pm

Well, athletics is a separate organization from K-State so we need to treat it as such. Just because the name is the same and it gets free use of university property doesn’t mean it has anything to really do with other university issues. Answer these questions:1) why should college coaches benefit from the revenue and not athletes? 2) Why should pro owners benefit from the revenue and not the players?

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Post by KITNooga » May 15th, 2019, 3:37 am

why should a business owner, who took the risk, built the program, be forced to profit-share with employees?

I continue to chafe over folks who seem to somehow think that players get 'nothing' from the college relationship. those who 'say that' IMO also suggest that a diploma is a worthless document (we might agree depending upon exactly which degree is earned)

as someone who did compete for good ole alma mater, the purple and the white, while NOT on scholie AND paying my way, every bit of it, tell me again just how those who DO get scholarships, room/board, training table and tutors are not 'paid'?

perhaps the real problem here is that when they take the jump from AAU ball to college, the 'cash flow' dries up?
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Post by Gorhoops » May 15th, 2019, 7:55 am

KITNooga wrote:
May 15th, 2019, 3:37 am
why should a business owner, who took the risk, built the program, be forced to profit-share with employees?

I continue to chafe over folks who seem to somehow think that players get 'nothing' from the college relationship. those who 'say that' IMO also suggest that a diploma is a worthless document (we might agree depending upon exactly which degree is earned)

as someone who did compete for good ole alma mater, the purple and the white, while NOT on scholie AND paying my way, every bit of it, tell me again just how those who DO get scholarships, room/board, training table and tutors are not 'paid'?

perhaps the real problem here is that when they take the jump from AAU ball to college, the 'cash flow' dries up?


Exactly my thoughts. First of all, someone asked the question, "why should the coaches benefit but not the players? Well lets see, most of the coaches were players at one point, so they all went through the same stuff, and those like Weber that didn't play, well he got to toil away for years and years in many roles, mostly very low paying, before he became a head coach. I get that coaches make a lot today, but they also have spent years and years working to get to those positions. I even use dirty Bill Self, he was a player at OSU, then a grad asst, then to a lower job at ORU to a little better job at Tulsa to Illinois, then to Kansas. He spent years and years not making millions before he cashed in. So the players deserve an equal share???

I will say it again, these guys do not HAVE to go to college. Those few players, like a Zion, they could go pro right after high school and play over-seas or in the G League. But don't tell me a guy like Zion didn't benefit HUGE from being at Duke. Remember, Zion was not the #1 overall player in his class, and if he could have come out last year, he would have been picked between 5-10 in the draft. One year at Duke and now he is considered this transcendent player that will make zillions of dollars on a shoe deal and other endorsements. Tell me his one year didn't benefit him every bit as much as it benefited Duke. I would venture to guess his one year at Duke netted him probably an extra $100 million at least over the next three years.
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Post by Watutalkaboutwillis » May 15th, 2019, 11:29 am

i would say most benefit from the college year except maybe the ones that were projected high but did not perform well in college. But in the instance of Zion, yes, it will be very lucrative due to his exposure at Duke. those that earn their degree probably net a $80,000 to $100,000 degree not to mention those that end up with a masters before it is over and done with due to 5th years and what not. They absolutely get something out of it. Is that "enough" in the eyes of some? No, but to me, it is. But I do believe they should be able to make money off their likeness as long as it does not involve the school likeness of any sort. The schools should not have to pay them any extra. They can go get loans like the rest of the population if they need more.

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Post by hilltopwildcat » May 15th, 2019, 1:32 pm

I wouldn't mind some pay for the kids. Sports is now at least an 11 month a year job. Makes it a little harder for them to find a summer or part-time job.
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Post by tmcats » May 15th, 2019, 1:36 pm

hilltopwildcat wrote:
May 15th, 2019, 1:32 pm
I wouldn't mind some pay for the kids. Sports is now at least an 11 month a year job. Makes it a little harder for them to find a summer or part-time job.
to say nothing for the fact that presently athletes are not allowed to have jobs under ncaa rules.
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Post by bigdeal » May 15th, 2019, 2:17 pm

Completely agree, Gor! Keitzman made the excellent point that DeSousa and Azubuike have both decided they would benefit more by being at KU moreso than being paid to play in Gleague or overseas. Maybe they are being paid more at KU, but I suspect it is because of the value they can see out of potentially enhancing their draft stock. Sounds like value to me.

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