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Re: KSU v WV

Post by Puffdad » February 27th, 2021, 7:03 pm

SkeeterZX190 wrote:
February 27th, 2021, 6:53 pm
kswildcat wrote:
February 27th, 2021, 6:18 pm
Why can’t we find some shooters?
We have shooters. What we need are "makers"!!!😀
Therein lies the problem. We have 1 or 1 1/2 makers and 0 shot creators/makers.

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Post by xtrawildcat » February 27th, 2021, 8:07 pm

OK
Regarding shooting.
Dean, Kam and Barry were a combined 2 for 17 at West Virginia their sophomore year.
The three of them were 0 for 7 from three. Team was 1 for 19 with 19 turnovers.

However,
Dean had great form so it was just a matter of rhythm and confidence.
Barry had flaws in his form that kept him from reaching his potential. Still hit enough to make teams guard him at the shorter three point line.
Kam had fewer flaws but also not perfect shot form. Hit enough when healthy to be a real threat from three that other teams had to account for.

Right now.
Pack has great form and can make shots.
Mike has good form but is forced to take tougher shots and rushes some of them. Nees others to be a threat so he can be more selective.
Rudis form is OK and it is rhythm and confidence.
MIguels form looks pretty good to me so a matter of rhythm and confidence.
AG has pretty good form but no rhythm and confidence from three.
Dejuans shot is broken. Three point shot has side spin on it.
Lukes shot is broken. Three point shot has side spin on it. (Had my 12 year old grandson point that out to me before the OU game.)

Weber is going to be back whether some fans like it or not. But if we are going to achieve anything next year, Weber needs to change something. Hire a shot consultant who can come in and work with these guys this summer. Improve the form of those who need it. Improve practice regimens of everybody when it comes to shooting. And find a way to give these guys some confidence in their shots.

Anything but don't keep doing the same thing year after year. Next to last shooting threes last year. Last this year. Telling them to get in the gym and get shots up is not going to do it. It takes perfect practice to improve and we have something that is not perfect.

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Post by wazucat » February 27th, 2021, 9:26 pm

xtrawildcat wrote:
February 27th, 2021, 8:07 pm
OK
Regarding shooting.
Dean, Kam and Barry were a combined 2 for 17 at West Virginia their sophomore year.
The three of them were 0 for 7 from three. Team was 1 for 19 with 19 turnovers.

However,
Dean had great form so it was just a matter of rhythm and confidence.
Barry had flaws in his form that kept him from reaching his potential. Still hit enough to make teams guard him at the shorter three point line.
Kam had fewer flaws but also not perfect shot form. Hit enough when healthy to be a real threat from three that other teams had to account for.

Right now.
Pack has great form and can make shots.
Mike has good form but is forced to take tougher shots and rushes some of them. Nees others to be a threat so he can be more selective.
Rudis form is OK and it is rhythm and confidence.
MIguels form looks pretty good to me so a matter of rhythm and confidence.
AG has pretty good form but no rhythm and confidence from three.
Dejuans shot is broken. Three point shot has side spin on it.
Lukes shot is broken. Three point shot has side spin on it. (Had my 12 year old grandson point that out to me before the OU game.)

Weber is going to be back whether some fans like it or not. But if we are going to achieve anything next year, Weber needs to change something. Hire a shot consultant who can come in and work with these guys this summer. Improve the form of those who need it. Improve practice regimens of everybody when it comes to shooting. And find a way to give these guys some confidence in their shots.

Anything but don't keep doing the same thing year after year. Next to last shooting threes last year. Last this year. Telling them to get in the gym and get shots up is not going to do it. It takes perfect practice to improve and we have something that is not perfect.
Executive summary: Bruce should recruit better shooters.
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Post by Puffdad » February 27th, 2021, 11:35 pm

Basically correct Wazu. Shooting is pretty much what it is. Some things can be totally reconstructed. Great shooting is not of them.

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Post by Kid In the Hall » February 28th, 2021, 12:00 am

K-State 3pt % shooting watch - down to .291 for the season. Currently ranked 323rd in the nation (out of 340 teams). Just a hair above Asbury's 96-97 team (.288) for the worst in school history (they are also the only team in school history to finish under .300 for the year).

For a coach who runs a guard-oriented/motion offense, the inability to recruit decent shooters (or, "makers") is truly staggering.
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Post by Hypeman » February 28th, 2021, 12:15 am

Kid In the Hall wrote:
February 28th, 2021, 12:00 am
K-State 3pt % shooting watch - down to .291 for the season. Currently ranked 323rd in the nation (out of 340 teams). Just a hair above Asbury's 96-97 team (.288) for the worst in school history (they are also the only team in school history to finish under .300 for the year).

For a coach who runs a guard-oriented/motion offense, the inability to recruit decent shooters (or, "makers") is truly staggering.
Reminder to all for the umpteenth time, KSU does not run a motion offense.

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Post by xtrawildcat » February 28th, 2021, 9:18 am

Hypeman wrote:
February 28th, 2021, 12:15 am
Kid In the Hall wrote:
February 28th, 2021, 12:00 am
K-State 3pt % shooting watch - down to .291 for the season. Currently ranked 323rd in the nation (out of 340 teams). Just a hair above Asbury's 96-97 team (.288) for the worst in school history (they are also the only team in school history to finish under .300 for the year).

For a coach who runs a guard-oriented/motion offense, the inability to recruit decent shooters (or, "makers") is truly staggering.
Reminder to all for the umpteenth time, KSU does not run a motion offense.
But we run sets with motion actions and can run true motion again with an experienced team. Either on requires guys who can make shots.

Right now our actual offense looks pretty good when we don't try to force it into the post when it's not there. But that is easily corrected. A guy like Kabsuke being 0 for 10 from three on wide open looks generated by your offense has to be corrected.

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Post by katlander » February 28th, 2021, 10:27 am

The sad part is that the passes to the post are there. The ball is not delivered to the right spot in a timely manner. At times they throw a direct pass when it should be a bounce pass, at times they throw it to the zig side when the big guy zags. Yesterday Davion had the defender pinned on his right hip with his left hand extended but somehow we didn't think we could throw a pretty easy pass to that hand. This was so obvious that you shouldn't even need practice to make that pass. They are making it way to hard.

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Post by WIldWIllieCat » February 28th, 2021, 10:30 am

That entry pass is a hellluva lot harder when you've no one on the court that is a real threat from the perimeter.

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Post by xtrawildcat » February 28th, 2021, 11:59 am

WIldWIllieCat wrote:
February 28th, 2021, 10:30 am
That entry pass is a hellluva lot harder when you've no one on the court that is a real threat from the perimeter.
Fact. WVU had weak side defenders ready to jump in on the post passes.

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