May the Chiefs Remain the Cheifs

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May the Chiefs Remain the Cheifs

Post by iowa_wildcat » July 14th, 2020, 8:09 pm

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With the Washington Redskins announcement to change their name today, I invite you to gather ‘round for a little (and rather lengthy) history lesson on how the Kansas City Chiefs got their team name.
H. Roe Bartle was more than an American businessman, philanthropist, musician, lawyer, executive, dynamic professional public speaker, two term Mayor of Kansas City, and deeply spiritual man.
From 1928 until 1955, Bartle was the Scout Executive at the Kansas City Area Council of the Boy Scouts of America. While a scouting executive, Bartle also engaged in profitable business enterprises and served on the board of directors of numerous corporations and banks, including largest independent liquor dealer in Missouri. When his friend, President Harry Truman, asked him to become the regional director of the Economic Stabilization Agency, Bartle had to resign from 57 boards of directors to avoid possible conflicts of interest.
In 1925 Bartle created the Tribe of Mic-O-Say, an honor camper program, in Agency, Missouri at Camp Brinton and later moved to Camp Geiger in 1935. In 1929 he brought the Tribe of Mic-O-Say program to a Boy Scout Camp in Osceola, Missouri, at the time known as Camp Osceola but later named the H. Roe Bartle Scout Reservation in his honor.
The Tribe of Mic-O-Say is an honor society used by two local councils of the Boy Scouts of America, Heart of America Council and Pony Express Council; it is not a program of the National Council of the BSA. Mic-O-Say's ceremonies, customs, and traditions are based on the folklore of the American Indian.
Bartle became interested in the heritage and culture of the many Indian reservations in Wyoming. He spent many hours listening to stories about the Indian tribes and soon began to incorporate Indian values and ideals into his Scouting program. Bartle was inducted into a local tribe of Arapaho based on a reservation served by the Scout council, and according to traditional Mic-O-Say legend, was given the name Lone Bear by the Chief. Bartle soon was referred to as “Chief” by fellow Scouts, friends, and colleagues.
During his two terms, Mayor Bartle oversaw the desegregation of the city hospitals and removed them from political influence. He also overhauled the city tax structure, organized the mayors and city managers of 67 nearby towns into a planning council, supported the advancement of African-American police officers, and oversaw initial construction of the Kansas City airport and a nearby freeway.
Bartle was a friend to many, an advocate for equal rights, and “never knew a stranger”. On Christmas, he would regularly spend the day visiting orphanages, the Boy's Home, the city jail, and other places that might be overlooked on such a holiday. His heart was as big as he was.
Bartle loved KC and before his final term as Mayor was up, he helped lure the Dallas Texans American Football League team to Kansas City in 1962. So, when deciding on a new team name, owner Lamar Hunt renamed the franchise the “Kansas City Chiefs” after Bartle's nickname, The Chief.
So, before you jump on the bandwagon of NFL team names being offensive, I felt it was a good time to remember the rich history of our KC Chiefs name and the deep respect and honor all of its founders (and namesake) had for the beautiful Indian heritage. ❤️💛 #allhailthechief #chiefslegacy #morethananame

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Post by Kralicek » July 15th, 2020, 8:12 am

None of that will matter if the marxists put the chief's in their sites.

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Post by AJcat7755 » July 15th, 2020, 9:21 am

They can probably still remain the Chiefs, but there could be a battle to remove the native american imagery (ex. arrowhead)

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Post by ToledoCat#3 » July 15th, 2020, 10:42 am

Someone please explain to me why the Chiefs name should be offensive to Native Americans? The tribal CHIEF was/is the top man, the top dog, the bravest leader, the wisest counselor, etc. So, why on earth is the word/name Chief offensive or the use of an Arrowhead in the logo? I simply do not understand where the offense is.

Chief fans should drop the Seminole chant/chop simply because its excruciating to listen to and watch -- nor is it original with the team.

Thanks for the above story about H. Roe Bartle. Quite interesting.

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Post by tmcats » July 15th, 2020, 10:53 am

it's a corporate decision. why these name things get people so riled up is beyond me. 'redskins' was always a horrible moniker for washington. i'm not allowed to write the n'word here, but to me, redskins, which i am allowed to write here, is akin to the n'word which i'm not allowed to write here.

maybe they should be the the kansas city monarchs, the trumans, democrats, liberals, pendergasts, river, or mob. there are a ton of less offensive names that more clearly tie the team to the city. and they all will have zero effect on how patrick pitches the ball.
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Post by Sancho Panza » July 15th, 2020, 11:09 am

Washington should pick a local tribe, & with their permission, change the name.

Seminoles has withstood the test of time.
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Post by Sancho Panza » July 15th, 2020, 11:10 am

What happened to the like button?
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Post by stlcatfan » July 15th, 2020, 11:21 am

Sancho Panza wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 11:10 am
What happened to the like button?
I know. I miss it, too.

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Post by AJcat7755 » July 15th, 2020, 1:09 pm

ToledoCat#3 wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 10:42 am
Someone please explain to me why the Chiefs name should be offensive to Native Americans? The tribal CHIEF was/is the top man, the top dog, the bravest leader, the wisest counselor, etc. So, why on earth is the word/name Chief offensive or the use of an Arrowhead in the logo? I simply do not understand where the offense is.

Chief fans should drop the Seminole chant/chop simply because its excruciating to listen to and watch -- nor is it original with the team.

Thanks for the above story about H. Roe Bartle. Quite interesting.
Without being on the other side, it's hard for me to say, but I would imagine they might take offense to fans dressing up like native americans in the spirit of the team. I would try to relate that as to someone wearing a traditional garment from your history, but changing the colors and doing it while slamming back beers. I think the organization probably does a lot to respect the namesake, but being named as such it can be used by those that don't respect it. Just a guess though, would need someone with native american heritage to explain it to fully understand their viewpoint.

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Post by spot2180 » July 15th, 2020, 1:43 pm

AJcat7755 wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 9:21 am
They can probably still remain the Chiefs, but there could be a battle to remove the native american imagery (ex. arrowhead)
I would argue it this way:

Stone points and arrow heads were in EVERY culture on the planet. For anyone to suggest differently only shows their ignorance.

The name 'Chiefs' is not a derogatory name for any ethnic group.

The leader's title of any tribe from anywhere on the planet would more than likely translate in English as 'chief'.

ADDITION: Native Americans were not the only culture to use feathers as adornments.
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