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Post by catl » June 29th, 2020, 1:16 pm

Got a refund for my season tickets, doubt I will get my required donations back though. Just can't get comfortable going to the games with the virus still running wild. Will seem strange after having tickets for 30+ years.

Sports used to be a unifier, providing fans with something in common, supporting a team through thick and thin. Now its just seen by many as another platform for making political statements. It also seems the college model is broken, with the enormous salaries paid to coaches and players being paid ouright, one and done, etc. Guess free tuition, housing, food and other benefits aren't enough for today's exalted "college" athletes. If players want to be outright paid a salary, they should be able to turn pro out of high school, and the NFL and NBA should have their own minor leagues that will pay them. I'd say a lot probably don't want to go to college anyway.

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Post by tmcats » June 29th, 2020, 1:55 pm

i'm not there yet but close. the only thing keeping me is family. as k-state sports is a way for us to gather. without that, i'd ask for my money back and sit at home watching on tv.
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Post by stlcatfan » June 29th, 2020, 2:00 pm

Well said, catl. I'm about there myself. I grew up an avid sports fan, but about 30 years ago, I stopped watching the NBA. Then about 20-25 years ago, I lost interest and stopped following MLB and about 10 years ago I stopped watching the NFL. So it looks like I am due to take the next step in my sports viewing (i.e., college sports). Actually, my interest has already been dropping off in recent years to where now I only watch K-State and occasionally other Big 12 schools.

Earlier in the spring I was bummed about the possibility of there not being football and basketball this upcoming school year. But with everything going on, I am resigned to everything being cancelled and starting fresh in 2021.

Long term, I am not optimistic about the future of college athletics. I think once the current TV contracts expire over the next few years, things will change drastically. Same with the academic side. Our universities have become overpriced Marxist breeding grounds. The future of our colleges and universities looks bleak without major changes.

I would like to see K-State take this opportunity to save lots of money by getting back to its mission as a Land Grant institution and dump the myriad of worthless majors that belong more at a liberal arts school. If someone wants to major in Gender Studies, with a minor in Queer Studies, go to KU. K-State should focus on majors in engineering, agriculture, business, education, architecture, computer science, and the natural sciences.

In sports, maybe we should consider dropping down a level in 2025 (the end of our current contract) so that we won't have to deal as much with the issues on the horizon for major college sports (e.g., paying players a salary). In the coming new market, I don't know how well we will be able to compete with the likes of Texas, Ohio State, and Alabama, anyway. There will likely be other current P5 schools joining us. It would also have the added benefit of getting rid of a lot of the prima donnas who think they are above the university and can demand changes and think we will all bow to them. It's just sports. They are for entertainment, not for being a platform for making political statements.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see what happens. And it's not just K-State. This is happening all over the country and it may lead to big and lasting changes (for the better, I hope).

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Post by Watutalkaboutwillis » June 29th, 2020, 4:43 pm

This would have the exact opposite effect on the price of an education. The student population would drop dramatically without a football team for Kstate. See the rise of student population during the rise of the teams success during the early Snyder years. We don't have a Med school or abundant populous to pull from to fill the seats in class. The football keeps the rest of the athletic budget in the breakeven to in the black category. Going down a level will put strain on the finances and the student fees would have to start supporting the sports. We are already seeing a drop off in attendance when we don't play a significant team especially basketball. Do you think we would fill the stadium and get as much money given to the university if we are playing NIU and Southern Illinois as league opponents? The next TV contracts will have an effect and may force some real hard decisions to be made, but lowering the class without having to would be almost be a death sentence to the university as a whole. Only way to cheapen an education is to offer less student services. As a student, if you are not getting anymore service/experience than an online course, why spend the money to go to a university?

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Post by stlcatfan » June 29th, 2020, 5:13 pm

Watutalkaboutwillis wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 4:43 pm
This would have the exact opposite effect on the price of an education. The student population would drop dramatically without a football team for Kstate. See the rise of student population during the rise of the teams success during the early Snyder years. We don't have a Med school or abundant populous to pull from to fill the seats in class. The football keeps the rest of the athletic budget in the breakeven to in the black category. Going down a level will put strain on the finances and the student fees would have to start supporting the sports. We are already seeing a drop off in attendance when we don't play a significant team especially basketball. Do you think we would fill the stadium and get as much money given to the university if we are playing NIU and Southern Illinois as league opponents? The next TV contracts will have an effect and may force some real hard decisions to be made, but lowering the class without having to would be almost be a death sentence to the university as a whole. Only way to cheapen an education is to offer less student services. As a student, if you are not getting anymore service/experience than an online course, why spend the money to go to a university?
I said football could drop down a level, not two or three levels. In this next round, it is certainly possible that somebody like one of the tech giants could use their VERY deep pockets and form a league that contains the top 30-40 college programs in the country and pay them very handsomely. In that scenario, we would likely be left out anyway.

If the Big 12 and the other P5 conferences are not broken up, then you have the potential issue of paying players because, you know, they are so used and abused by the system (sarcasm), so they should get paid, too. The question, though, is how much? If each school can pay what they want, then schools like Texas and Oklahoma could outspend everyone else and hire all of the top athletes. What about schools that cost more money to attend? Do they have to (or get to) pay more money to their athletes? Do the athletes still get to keep their scholarships? Costs are also rising for coaches and staffs. Schools like K-State would have a difficult time keeping up in this kind of arms race.

Five years from now, in the above scenario, the next level down would include other smaller P5 schools, along with the schools in conferences like the MWC and AAC. Those schools might not get as much money as the top 30 blue blood schools, but they would still receive millions each year in TV money. I would just prefer to see K-State play in a competitive league, but more along the lines of traditional college football, and not the NFL Lite. For both athletics and academics, it would be downsizing, but more efficient in the way we operate and more true to the university's mission.

I am just thinking out loud (which is why I said "maybe"), but changes will need to be made. What we are doing right now is not sustainable, long-term. And it is not just K-State. It is every college and university in this country.

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Post by NealyFan » June 29th, 2020, 5:50 pm

A white nationalist overreacted on Twitter

Our players are overreacting by threatening a boycott.

Angry Karens and Kens are overreacting.

I stand behind KSU. If you don’t, go root for KU or Washburn. You won’t be missed.
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Post by tmcats » June 29th, 2020, 5:57 pm

NealyFan wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 5:50 pm
A white nationalist overreacted on Twitter

Our players are overreacting by threatening a boycott.

Angry Karens and Kens are overreacting.

I stand behind KSU. If you don’t, go root for KU or Washburn. You won’t be missed.
i believe you're right on the first three statements.
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Post by ToledoCat#3 » June 29th, 2020, 6:53 pm

I hope all this mess levels out, but I'm not optimistic. I agree with the poster above that KSU offers too many borderline useful degrees. Just from my limited exposure to KSU students, through my grand-children, I agree that students are becoming more indoctrinated, than educated.

If KSU became really world-class in agriculture, engineering, the hard-sciences, vet med, business, leadership, plus economics, computer science, and English proficiency, we might all be pleasantly surprised how steady or growing KSU enrollment would be.

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Post by spot2180 » June 29th, 2020, 7:40 pm

Flattening the curve will not make Covid19 go away. It is with us, and I think most of us will get it and a 'vaccine' will not, most likely, kill it off. After all this time, I beilieve only two diseases have been eradicated, with four or five nearly eradicated.

This summer will be a roller coaster ride with spikes and drops. If we are being ordered now to stay inside, and a month from now they ease restrictions, and then there is another spike mid August, middle school, high school, college and professional football will not have a season this year.

UIL in Texas is contemplating flipping the spring and fall sports, but I doubt it goes any further than contemplation.
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Post by katlander » June 29th, 2020, 8:08 pm

I too am very disillusioned. Not only with the recent events relating to K-State sports but college and pro sports in general. Also with colleges in general and the way they are gouging students and teaching left wing agendas. Unless this changes I will no longer encourage my kids to attend K-State but will seek a less expensive and less political university.

One outcome I predict as a result of the increased university costs and the online classes as a result of Corona will be more online education. College just isn't that efficient but was always a great way to more or less complete the maturation process in a controlled environment which exposed you to individuals with diverse backgrounds and interests. But let's face it, the world has changed. Kids are much more worldly and aware. They are much more exposed as children through travel and through the internet.

Add this too the fact that college is way too expensive for most of us. A college education can cost as much as a starter home and many curriculums just aren't worth it. Stay-edu-cation may be the future. Stay at home, have a part time job and study hard.

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