FB Players speaking out against KSU Student

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Re: FB Players speaking out against KSU Student

Post by WIldWIllieCat » June 30th, 2020, 10:32 am

So we agree. The thing being "missed" is perspective.
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Post by kstatefan1863 » June 30th, 2020, 10:43 am

wild@nite wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 9:59 am
WIldWIllieCat wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 8:09 am


Perspective.
Community colleges, tech schools, universities, federal aid (the big one), African American specific scholarships, career specific scholarships, or do like i did and work your way through college. Plenty of opportunity to get out of the ghetto. Dont blame an entire ethnic group when you choose to not seek free money and get training. That's the perspective of many, and not all white.

The victim card is easy. Its flat out easier to keep blaming the white man for what "some" did to them years ago. The opportunities are there now, but it seems that its easier to keep blaming the entire white race than seek a better situation for themselves.

Perspective.
While there are some programs and opportunities for people of color to receive an education, it doesn't mean they have the opportunities to get to that point. Many of them live in areas with severely underfunded schools, and they can't get the education needed to get to that point. Not to mention the dangers of where they live, the racism they have to deal with throughout their lives (I've seem some ignorant posts that say don't see racism. It's probably because most people don't see it unless it's happening to them), the lack of healthcare, and the list goes on. They aren't blaming the entire white race, as you suggested, is that what you really think? They are blaming the system. They are upset that their people are being disproportionately murdered by the people that are here to protect them. I hope that isn't ok with any of you. With all due respect, I feel like some white people just want to blame them and make them feel like lazy criminals, when really these white people are just lacking the perspective it takes to have empathy for their neighbors that has been wronged for far too long. To me, by trying to shift the blame on them, and accusing them of blaming an entire race, just playing a victim card, which you're trying to accuse them of. That line of thinking is lazy, and uninspiring.

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Post by wild@nite » June 30th, 2020, 10:57 am

WIldWIllieCat wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 10:32 am
So we agree. The thing being "missed" is perspective.
What is also being missed is tolerance of my perspective. I would be called a racist for my perspective. Blacks would be called Uncle Toms. Were all just supposed to buy into the complete victim mentality because BLM says so. Sorry. Not happening.

I buy into the fact that unequal opportunity sucks and should end. I also buy into "life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react".

In other words, successful people look in the mirror and dont hang their hat on blaming others for everything that isn't right on their life. Instead of just bitching about how unfair things are, go make some progress in your life. Build an individual platform and inspire others to do the same.

Or they can stay in the ghetto, that they seem to hate, and gripe about white people holding you back. Let the hate fester. Burn it down. Very productive perspective there.

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Post by kstatefan1863 » June 30th, 2020, 11:01 am

wild@nite wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 10:57 am
WIldWIllieCat wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 10:32 am
So we agree. The thing being "missed" is perspective.
What is also being missed is tolerance of my perspective. I would be called a racist for my perspective. Blacks would be called Uncle Toms. Were all just supposed to buy into the complete victim mentality because BLM says so. Sorry. Not happening.

I buy into the fact that unequal opportunity sucks and should end. I also buy into "life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react".

In other words, successful people look in the mirror and dont hang their hat on blaming others for everything that isn't right on their life. Instead of just bitching about how unfair things are, go make some progress in your life. Build an individual platform and inspire others to do the same.

Or they can stay in the ghetto, that they seem to hate, and gripe about white people holding you back. Let the hate fester. Burn it down. Very productive perspective there.
So your perspective is to falsely assume they are blaming all white people so that you can in return flip the victim card back at them and start pretending you're the victim? That just seems so lazy.

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Post by WIldWIllieCat » June 30th, 2020, 11:05 am

wild@nite wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 10:57 am
WIldWIllieCat wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 10:32 am
So we agree. The thing being "missed" is perspective.
What is also being missed is tolerance of my perspective. I would be called a racist for my perspective. Blacks would be called Uncle Toms. Were all just supposed to buy into the complete victim mentality because BLM says so. Sorry. Not happening.

I buy into the fact that unequal opportunity sucks and should end. I also buy into "life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react".

In other words, successful people look in the mirror and dont hang their hat on blaming others for everything that isn't right on their life. Instead of just bitching about how unfair things are, go make some progress in your life. Build an individual platform and inspire others to do the same.

Or they can stay in the ghetto, that they seem to hate, and gripe about white people holding you back. Let the hate fester. Burn it down. Very productive perspective there.
This is called grievance, but it is indeed a perspective.
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Post by stlcatfan » June 30th, 2020, 11:07 am

wild@nite wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 9:59 am
WIldWIllieCat wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 8:09 am


Perspective.
Community colleges, tech schools, universities, federal aid (the big one), African American specific scholarships, career specific scholarships, or do like i did and work your way through college. Plenty of opportunity to get out of the ghetto. Dont blame an entire ethnic group when you choose to not seek free money, aid, or work to get training. That's the perspective of many, and not all with this perspective are white.

The victim card is easy. Its flat out easier to keep blaming the white man for what "some" did to them years ago. The opportunities are there now, but it seems that its easier to keep blaming the entire white race than seek a better situation for themselves.

Perspective.
Yep. It is easy to blame one's problems on someone or something else such as so-called "systemic racism" and "white privilege." At some point, we have to look in the mirror and take responsibility for our own actions. As you mentioned so many programs have been put into place to help Blacks and other minorities to get out of poverty in this country as well as protect them from racial discrimination. But throwing money at those problems isn't enough. We need to get at the root of why, after more than 50 years of these government programs, little has changed for those who live in our urban areas in regard to poverty, drugs, crime, etc.

One root cause of the above issues is the family structure. The family is the basic unit of any society. As the family goes, so goes the society in which we live. We recently celebrated Father's Day in this country. Study after study has shown that kids who have a father in the home are much more likely to stay out of poverty, finish school, stay off drugs, stay out of jail, etc. Yet, how much have we heard from groups like Black Lives Matter on this issue? Yeah, it's the same amount that we have heard from them condemning the deaths of Black children in cities like Chicago and St. Louis or the death of people like David Dorn. In other words, zilch from BLM. I guess only SOME Black Lives Matter - the politically expedient ones like George Floyd and Michael Brown.

Nothing is going to change so long as certain groups play the victim card and blame everyone else for their problems.

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Post by wild@nite » June 30th, 2020, 11:14 am

kstatefan1863 wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 10:43 am
wild@nite wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 9:59 am


Community colleges, tech schools, universities, federal aid (the big one), African American specific scholarships, career specific scholarships, or do like i did and work your way through college. Plenty of opportunity to get out of the ghetto. Dont blame an entire ethnic group when you choose to not seek free money and get training. That's the perspective of many, and not all white.

The victim card is easy. Its flat out easier to keep blaming the white man for what "some" did to them years ago. The opportunities are there now, but it seems that its easier to keep blaming the entire white race than seek a better situation for themselves.

Perspective.
While there are some programs and opportunities for people of color to receive an education, it doesn't mean they have the opportunities to get to that point. Many of them live in areas with severely underfunded schools, and they can't get the education needed to get to that point. Not to mention the dangers of where they live, the racism they have to deal with throughout their lives (I've seem some ignorant posts that say don't see racism. It's probably because most people don't see it unless it's happening to them), the lack of healthcare, and the list goes on. They aren't blaming the entire white race, as you suggested, is that what you really think? They are blaming the system. They are upset that their people are being disproportionately murdered by the people that are here to protect them. I hope that isn't ok with any of you. With all due respect, I feel like some white people just want to blame them and make them feel like lazy criminals, when really these white people are just lacking the perspective it takes to have empathy for their neighbors that has been wronged for far too long. To me, by trying to shift the blame on them, and accusing them of blaming an entire race, just playing a victim card, which you're trying to accuse them of. That line of thinking is lazy, and uninspiring.
I say BS. Most have the opportunity if the family culture were there to support the opportunity. Very few don't have that opportunity. Is it equal to the opportunity that most whites have? No, and that is a problem, I agree, but I see far too many not taking advantage of opportunity, just as some poor whites, then blaming someone else for their crappy life.

Sorry, doesnt fly. I got no scholarships. My parents made just enough so I couldn't get grants, so I worked and paid off loans to get through.

Community colleges and Tech schools have programs that dont require extensive ACT scores or other admission requirements. What, exactly is holding them back here?
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Post by wild@nite » June 30th, 2020, 11:18 am

kstatefan1863 wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 11:01 am
wild@nite wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 10:57 am


What is also being missed is tolerance of my perspective. I would be called a racist for my perspective. Blacks would be called Uncle Toms. Were all just supposed to buy into the complete victim mentality because BLM says so. Sorry. Not happening.

I buy into the fact that unequal opportunity sucks and should end. I also buy into "life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react".

In other words, successful people look in the mirror and dont hang their hat on blaming others for everything that isn't right on their life. Instead of just bitching about how unfair things are, go make some progress in your life. Build an individual platform and inspire others to do the same.

Or they can stay in the ghetto, that they seem to hate, and gripe about white people holding you back. Let the hate fester. Burn it down. Very productive perspective there.
So your perspective is to falsely assume they are blaming all white people so that you can in return flip the victim card back at them and start pretending you're the victim? That just seems so lazy.
No, I dont feel like the victim. I just want them to look in the mirror a bit, like they're asking us to do. To quit discounting every black person who says what I'm saying. THAT is lazy. Look long enough and they'll see the problem is not one sided and the solution will take some cultural changes on their part as well.

That's all....

Again, "Life is 10% of what happens to you and 90% how you react".

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Post by stlcatfan » June 30th, 2020, 11:24 am

wild@nite wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 11:14 am
I say BS. Most have the opportunity if the family culture were there to support the opportunity. Very few don't have that opportunity. Is it equal to the opportunity that most whites have? No, and that is a problem, I agree, but I see far too many not taking advantage of opportunity, just as so e poor whites, then blaming someone else for their crappy life.

Sorry, doesnt fly. I got no scholarships. My parents made just enough so I couldn't get grants, so I worked and paid off loans to get through.

Community colleges and Tech schools have programs that dont require extensive ACT scores or other admission requirements. What, exactly is holding them back here?
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Community colleges are tech schools are great options for those who want to prepare for the university or get practical training for jobs which are in very high demand right now. Qualified HVAC and automotive technicians, carpenters, welders, electricians, IT specialists, etc., are great careers for those who go to tech schools.

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Post by stlcatfan » June 30th, 2020, 11:25 am

wild@nite wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 11:14 am
I say BS. Most have the opportunity if the family culture were there to support the opportunity. Very few don't have that opportunity. Is it equal to the opportunity that most whites have? No, and that is a problem, I agree, but I see far too many not taking advantage of opportunity, just as so e poor whites, then blaming someone else for their crappy life.

Sorry, doesnt fly. I got no scholarships. My parents made just enough so I couldn't get grants, so I worked and paid off loans to get through.

Community colleges and Tech schools have programs that dont require extensive ACT scores or other admission requirements. What, exactly is holding them back here?

[/quote]

Community colleges are tech schools are great options for those who want to prepare for the university or get practical training for jobs which are in very high demand right now. Qualified HVAC and automotive technicians, carpenters, welders, electricians, IT specialists, etc., are great careers for those who want to go the tech school route.
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