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Post by NealyFan » April 10th, 2020, 4:03 pm

Take it up with the NHL, NBA, and MLB. They did it voluntarily. And the reason the numbers are so low is because Americans are being responsible. Go ask those dumbass spring breakers who are sick because they had to party. Go volunteer at a hospital. Go work at a grocery store. Or take a walk and turn off talk radio. The Constitution has not been suspended.

Last year, 10,500 people died in DUI accidents. Far fewer than the flu. Let’s get rid of DUI laws. So unnecessary.
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Post by ChemEngCat » April 10th, 2020, 6:29 pm

In response to KSU who asked "Who do you know PERSONALLY that has it or has died from it??" Yes, I do know someone personally that died from it. She was elderly (83) but such a lovely person. We went to the same church for 20 years until we moved. I know others who have been ill - one was very, very ill on a respirator for a long time - I was afraid he was not going to make it but he did finally improve.

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Post by ToledoCat#3 » April 10th, 2020, 7:11 pm

Sorry you lost one friend, and glad your other friend survived. Nuthin' funny about CV.

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Post by pulitzerdave » April 13th, 2020, 12:10 am

KSUbetcha wrote:
April 8th, 2020, 8:31 am
The IMHE projections of US deaths from Chinese Corona virus are way off as of 8 April 2020. From a high of 2.2 million deaths, 200,000,100,000, 80k, and now 60k with more decreases likely. IMHO this will end up much lower. Yes is it serious, do you want to get it? No... But each month we have 65 thousand die from the regular flu this year alone. And on average, 157,000 people in the US die from cancer, heart disease, car crashes, etc. What are we doing for those ailments? Banning peple from driving, eating nothing but salads??

We don't have to wait for the vaccine to restart the economy. And that includes all pro & college sports. The shutdown has flatlined the economy & that'll kill way more people than the Wuhan Flu ever will.

This shutdown is getting ridiculous... and the media has been spotlighting the virus for a month or more... the health experts have been proven to be totally WRONG about everthing.

RESTART THE ECONOMY NOW...including all Sports!!!
This is probably the most ignorant and self-centered post in the history of this forum. It's riddled with misinformation and ignores scientific data and the advice of virologists. Look up the word exponential and apply that word to this virus which spreads easily and for which there is no vaccine. I REPEAT, THERE IS NO VACCINE, AND ONE ISN'T COMING FOR 12-18 MONTHS, IF THEN!

The name of the virus is COVID-19, not the Chinese Corona Virus or the Wuhan Flu. This virus is deadly, and unless we take extreme measures to mitigate it, with social distancing, sheltering at home, and wearing masks in public, it will kill far more people than any flu virus that currently exists. Until there's a vaccine, we CANNOT have mass gatherings for sporting events.

I can't believe that there are people who want their sports so badly, that they're willing to risk the lives of others to have it. Despicable.

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Post by Mrylndcat » April 13th, 2020, 6:29 am

" the health experts have been proven to be totally WRONG about everthing."

WOW!!! He must get his news from reading Facebook. We are keeping the totals down by following CDC guidelines and avoiding contact with other people.

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Post by AJcat7755 » April 13th, 2020, 8:55 am

Why do people keep comparing this to the flu?

The flu has a vaccine, COVID does not. The flu is not as contagious as COVID

The reason we are social distancing is not because of the death rate as it stands now, it's to prevent the medical system from getting more overloaded then it is now. Because for every additional case that goes into the hospital, that's 1 less bed, 1 less respirator, that could be given to someone that is a high risk and as a result, the death rate would then rise. Not to mention that every additional person that goes into the hospital is an additional risk that medical providers get sick and reduce how much staff is there to help, again reducing the capacity of hospitals. Death rates would certainly go up when hospitals can help less patients due to overload and less staff.

Every additional person that gets sick is also 1 less worker for companies, 1 less person delivering your food, 1 less person working retail, etc. That could hurt supply lines, shut down businesses, etc.

This is not solely about a death rate. It's to limit how many people are sick at once because of all the adverse affects of having too many people sick at once in a population.

There is also the recent cases that some that have recovered, getting sick again.

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Post by tmcats » April 13th, 2020, 9:28 am

take it to gods & generals. this is the football board. :twisted:
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Post by JazzCatDRP » April 13th, 2020, 9:42 am

Keep the political part of Covid-19 to the G&G board (a la Trump's response to it), but I will permit respectful discussion of it here. It's important that the importance of it not be understated or shoved off to another board.

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Post by Tbonespop » April 13th, 2020, 9:43 pm

AJcat7755 wrote:
April 13th, 2020, 8:55 am
Why do people keep comparing this to the flu?

The flu has a vaccine, COVID does not. The flu is not as contagious as COVID

The reason we are social distancing is not because of the death rate as it stands now, it's to prevent the medical system from getting more overloaded then it is now. Because for every additional case that goes into the hospital, that's 1 less bed, 1 less respirator, that could be given to someone that is a high risk and as a result, the death rate would then rise. Not to mention that every additional person that goes into the hospital is an additional risk that medical providers get sick and reduce how much staff is there to help, again reducing the capacity of hospitals. Death rates would certainly go up when hospitals can help less patients due to overload and less staff.

Every additional person that gets sick is also 1 less worker for companies, 1 less person delivering your food, 1 less person working retail, etc. That could hurt supply lines, shut down businesses, etc.

This is not solely about a death rate. It's to limit how many people are sick at once because of all the adverse affects of having too many people sick at once in a population.

There is also the recent cases that some that have recovered, getting sick again.
People for the most part aren't comparing the actual flu to Covid 19 (at least at this point). They are comparing Covid infection and death rates to the infection case rate, the % hospitalizations, and the % deaths of the flu. Its the end result being compared, not the actual virsues. And it is a fari comparison - because every year on average 40,000 Americans die of the flu which we do have vaccines for (for the most part, they aren't always spot on, but they do help). The comparison comes because we do absolutely nothing and let 40,000 Americans die (which 2 years ago was over 60,000 americans) from the flu every year and we do nothing for that, but this virus comes through and we shut the country down (actually shut down the entire world), which is resulting in catastrophic economic conditions - thus further creating more havoc for the country and the globe. This brings up the next question of which is worse? Go on living life and dying of Covid, or dying a slow death of loss of business/economy (either way, you're dead). This is the reason why people compare the two. Has nothing to do with the actual viruses itself.

As for the virus, it is actually much more like Malaria than the flu in that the virus attacks the hemoglobin in the blood which thus limits the bloods ability to carry O2 and CO2 to and from the organs. The organs shut down and people die. The specific mechanism between Covid and malaria are a little different in how they metabolize the hemoglobin, so there are some differences. But in general, this virus behaves more like malaria does (and yes, I realize malaria is a bacteria). They still act similarly by metabolizing the hemoglobin to prevent oxygen flow to vital organs. This is what causes the ARDS, which leads to the ventilator treatment and the ICU. This is just one example of what makes Covid 19 so unique and dangerous. Early on coming out of China, we didn't know much of anything about the virus other than we thought it would be similar to a really bad flu season, mainly targeting older, unhealthy populations. That has proven to be a very false narrative. Anyone can be susceptible to this virus and die with in a day or two if not properly treated early enough on in the process.

Bottom line is, the flu and Covid are very different, but comparing the outcomes and response activities of each is fair game IMO. 1/5 of the country catches the flu every year, and we have vaccines for them. Even when we do get a vaccine for Covid, how many people do you think will get it? I'm betting if we get half the country to take it, that will be a positive. The thing to realize is, there will be various mutations of Covid 19 going forward even when we get a vaccine, so the medical community better get their crap together on a treatment (and I support the strategy of HCQ + anti viral treatments). Of note, the common cold is a CV and we don't have a vaccine for it. There is a very real possibility we may not get a functional vaccine for Covid 19. Thus, we must find a very refined treatment technology. My $0.02.
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Post by AJcat7755 » April 14th, 2020, 9:52 am

My though is the real problem with COVID is not the deaths or the infection rate, it's that countries are trying to prevent everyone from getting it at the same time, which overwhelms the hospitals, which would spike death rates as they can't help everyone. The whole point of the lockdowns is to flatten the number of people that are getting it at the same time, not to stop how many are going to eventually get it. It's also shown to be more contagious then the flu so it seems to spread faster.

Think about it this way, if everyone got the flu at the exact same time, that would be a huge issue as well and they would do the same lockdown. Not only would it be a problem for hospitals, but companies would be even more shutdown they then are now because everyone would be sick at the same time.

As you mentioned, even with a vaccine, it won't stop all the strains. I'm under the belief that like the flu, almost everyone will get exposed to it eventually. The vaccine might stop some, but not all. The goal is that we just spread out how many are sick at the same time IMO. That way they can effectively treat those that are sick. And hopefully, as we learn more, they can get better at treating those that get sick so once everyone starts to go back to work and get it, they can get better faster.
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