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Re: College Football Broken

Post by hilltopwildcat » January 24th, 2020, 4:10 pm

AJcat7755 wrote:
January 24th, 2020, 12:23 pm
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So therein lies the problem. For competition to be leveled, it has to benefit Alabama to play UCF.
Exactly. Right now Alabama can get away with playing 4 OOC games, only one being a P5, and then 2 lowly G5 and then a FCS team. Then they only play 8 conference games. If they get through that with 1 loss and win their conference, their in the playoffs. There is no need for them to play a top G5 team or a 2nd P5 team. The path to the playoffs isn't even the same among P5 conferences, so there is no way to even start thinking about how to make it even for G5 conferences. But no one complains because $$ and TV sells so if Alabama makes the playoffs, everything is forgotten.
And why the K-State's of the world put up with that chit, I'll never understand. We want to "compete for championships". Really?

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Post by Hypeman » January 25th, 2020, 5:41 pm

hilltopwildcat wrote:
January 24th, 2020, 4:10 pm
AJcat7755 wrote:
January 24th, 2020, 12:23 pm


Exactly. Right now Alabama can get away with playing 4 OOC games, only one being a P5, and then 2 lowly G5 and then a FCS team. Then they only play 8 conference games. If they get through that with 1 loss and win their conference, their in the playoffs. There is no need for them to play a top G5 team or a 2nd P5 team. The path to the playoffs isn't even the same among P5 conferences, so there is no way to even start thinking about how to make it even for G5 conferences. But no one complains because $$ and TV sells so if Alabama makes the playoffs, everything is forgotten.
And why the K-State's of the world put up with that chit, I'll never understand. We want to "compete for championships". Really?
We don’t care about competing. We care about money. Show me the money baby!

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Post by KITNooga » January 26th, 2020, 12:45 am

other than a bunch of bruised fan egoes, what's the worst that happens should KSU not be a part of the P5 world? would it be the end? would we all love our kids/team less? would saturdays suck?

or do we want to keep on being in a process that never allow teams 'like' KSU into the clubhouse. sure, we can walk around the outside and look in the windows...but that's as far as we go.

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Post by Opensource » January 26th, 2020, 11:04 am

KITNooga wrote:
January 26th, 2020, 12:45 am
other than a bunch of bruised fan egoes, what's the worst that happens should KSU not be a part of the P5 world? would it be the end? would we all love our kids/team less? would saturdays suck?

or do we want to keep on being in a process that never allow teams 'like' KSU into the clubhouse. sure, we can walk around the outside and look in the windows...but that's as far as we go.
Right. It certainly seems like NDSU fans are having a good time. But, we now have this huge infrastructure to support. There wouldn't be the money to support the salaries, size of staff, maintain all the buildings, and would the rich people pull out their level of contribution? Smaller might be just as good. But, the path there might be pretty painful.

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Post by wild@nite » January 26th, 2020, 12:38 pm

KITNooga wrote:
January 26th, 2020, 12:45 am
other than a bunch of bruised fan egoes, what's the worst that happens should KSU not be a part of the P5 world? would it be the end? would we all love our kids/team less? would saturdays suck?

or do we want to keep on being in a process that never allow teams 'like' KSU into the clubhouse. sure, we can walk around the outside and look in the windows...but that's as far as we go.
You're right. It's as far as it goes if everybody just keeps accepting getting bent over by the NCAA. There needs to be passion and unity to fight this current system. That's how things improve.

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Post by wild@nite » January 26th, 2020, 12:44 pm

Opensource wrote:
January 26th, 2020, 11:04 am
KITNooga wrote:
January 26th, 2020, 12:45 am
other than a bunch of bruised fan egoes, what's the worst that happens should KSU not be a part of the P5 world? would it be the end? would we all love our kids/team less? would saturdays suck?

or do we want to keep on being in a process that never allow teams 'like' KSU into the clubhouse. sure, we can walk around the outside and look in the windows...but that's as far as we go.
Right. It certainly seems like NDSU fans are having a good time. But, we now have this huge infrastructure to support. There wouldn't be the money to support the salaries, size of staff, maintain all the buildings, and would the rich people pull out their level of contribution? Smaller might be just as good. But, the path there might be pretty painful.
They're having a good time, but they don't know any different. That's the level they have been. Dropping down would be bad.

Support would fall off, attendance would drop, and the entire University would feel the pain. Any school who has made the financial commitment to be in the P5 should stay and this current system should be fought hard.

I hope we have leadership at schools like us who are ready to stand up and don't have the complacent attitude I'm reading from some on here.
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Post by tmcats » January 27th, 2020, 11:40 am

yeah, moving from an audi to a ford would be painful. the fargodome holds 19,000 for football. that's probably what k-state averaged pre-snyder.

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Post by AJcat7755 » January 27th, 2020, 5:51 pm

They really would have to come out of the gate roaring to keep it at the top of the G5 level. I would think initially, KSU would be very competitive in the G5 levels given the infrastructure, history and recruiting comparative to what is in the G5 now. But as mentioned, as money starts to dry up from TV packages, attendance, merchandise, etc. coaches will leave for P5 schools, facilities will not be as advanced. Fans will be less interested in seeing G5 teams then OU or UT so there will be less attendance and less $$. Less TV coverage means lower visibility and lower recruiting. Eventually, it would even out and KSU would still be competitive, but not hold as many advantages as they would initially. School attendance would drop, and that means less $$ to academics, less programs, less grants, etc. It's just not a great situation to be in. It would be one thing if KSU was in a more densely populated state , or one with no other with no P5 near, or could rely on hoops (UConn), or a school with a religious tie in (BYU). But being in KS, and if KU were to remain P5, it would be a big blow.

I don't think KSU would get dropped to the FCS level though. So at the very least, they would still have multiple OOC games to play P5 schools as needed as well as a shot in bowl games. KSU wouldn't drop to DII, like Pitt or Emporia State either. But it could be like Colorado and CSU, Utah and Utah State, Arkansas and Arkansas State.
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Post by stlcatfan » January 28th, 2020, 7:06 am

I'm not too worried about K-State being kicked out of the P5 ranks. Even if the Big 12 were to dissolve at the end of the current contract in 2025, I think most of the schools (including K-State) would get picked up by one of the other conferences. It might even lead to the 4x16 super conference set up that has been discussed from time to time.

K-State athletics has put hundreds of millions of dollars into its facilities over the past decade or so and we are competitive nationally in the two biggest money-making sports. On the academic side, were are a Tier I research institution. And once the NBAF goes online in a couple years, the amount of $$$ spent on agricultural and disease research will add greatly to what is already being spent annually on research. Other firms doing related research could also locate in or around Manhattan.

So, thanks to good leadership on both sides (athletics and academics), I think we are pretty well-positioned should major changes take place in the future. If K-State gets left out in the next round realignment, a lot of other peer schools of ours will be left out as well. The 30 or so "elite" schools that are left would essentially form an "NFL Lite" league which would not compete well with the actual NFL and college football fans not from those schools would likely tune out as well, which is why I don't think this will happen. JMO.

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Post by Hypeman » January 28th, 2020, 7:12 pm

tmcats wrote:
January 27th, 2020, 11:40 am
yeah, moving from an audi to a ford would be painful. the fargodome holds 19,000 for football. that's probably what k-state averaged pre-snyder.

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