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Re: College Football Broken

Post by Hypeman » January 18th, 2020, 4:49 pm

wild@nite wrote:
January 18th, 2020, 4:23 pm
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one conference - one champion. can't win your conference? stay home.

no wild-cards.

seems so very very simple.
But it's not. Not when we have to play everybody and some teams win their conferences and don't play everybody. We could go 12-0 and lose our championship game to be 12-1 and get left out for a hypothetical Big 10 champ, who might finish 11-2 and didn't even play the toughest teams in their conference. How is that right? Not only that, Clemson has no test at all in their conference. Nobody but them was inside the top 20. You think they get through the SEC or Big 10 undefeated? I don't.

16 team playoff is the only fair and honest way of giving all teams from all conferences a chance. The P5 champs and 11 at larges that can include a couple of G5 champs. That would be a true "playoff" that would spread the talent wealth.
On the other hand, an SEC or big 10 team could be screwed because their schedule on a particular year is overweighted with the good teams. The we everyone they don’t is a phony argument. OU had to play everyone this year, but the league was down. So they actually had a weaker schedule. Do you think they only lose 1 game and make the CFP if they were in the big 10 or SEC? Not hardly. The argument works both ways. In the end, everyone plays the same number of games. The ones that have it weakest are those that play the cupcakes in the non-con. You don’t see teams like USC or Notre Dame or Texas playing weak non-con do you. Good for them.

There should be 8 leagues and 8 bids into the playoff.

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Post by Hypeman » January 18th, 2020, 4:55 pm

Opensource wrote:
January 18th, 2020, 4:36 pm
wild@nite wrote:
January 18th, 2020, 4:23 pm


But it's not. Not when we have to play everybody and some teams win their conferences and don't play everybody. We could go 12-0 and lose our championship game to be 12-1 and get left out for a hypothetical Big 10 champ, who might finish 11-2 and didn't even play the toughest teams in their conference. How is that right? Not only that, Clemson has no test at all in their conference. Nobody but them was inside the top 20. You think they get through the SEC or Big 10 undefeated? I don't.

16 team playoff is the only fair and honest way of giving all teams from all conferences a chance. The P5 champs and 11 at larges that can include a couple of G5 champs. That would be a true "playoff" that would spread the talent wealth.
This is capitalism. Fair is making defined by making money. ESPN was the large market population teams to win and enough other teams to create the illusion of a competitive league,
However, KSU athletics would rather have no chance at the CFP and keep the control and money in the P5 if they continue to get some of it. Opening it up to more leagues and teams would presumably split the pot and result in less money ... and that’s all that really matters. KSU is quietly happy to have no chance if they can pretend and collect some conference money.

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Post by wild@nite » January 18th, 2020, 5:47 pm

Hypeman wrote:
January 18th, 2020, 4:49 pm
wild@nite wrote:
January 18th, 2020, 4:23 pm


But it's not. Not when we have to play everybody and some teams win their conferences and don't play everybody. We could go 12-0 and lose our championship game to be 12-1 and get left out for a hypothetical Big 10 champ, who might finish 11-2 and didn't even play the toughest teams in their conference. How is that right? Not only that, Clemson has no test at all in their conference. Nobody but them was inside the top 20. You think they get through the SEC or Big 10 undefeated? I don't.

16 team playoff is the only fair and honest way of giving all teams from all conferences a chance. The P5 champs and 11 at larges that can include a couple of G5 champs. That would be a true "playoff" that would spread the talent wealth.
On the other hand, an SEC or big 10 team could be screwed because their schedule on a particular year is overweighted with the good teams. The we everyone they don’t is a phony argument. OU had to play everyone this year, but the league was down. So they actually had a weaker schedule. Do you think they only lose 1 game and make the CFP if they were in the big 10 or SEC? Not hardly. The argument works both ways. In the end, everyone plays the same number of games. The ones that have it weakest are those that play the cupcakes in the non-con. You don’t see teams like USC or Notre Dame or Texas playing weak non-con do you. Good for them.

There should be 8 leagues and 8 bids into the playoff.
Agree with 8 leagues and 8 auto bids, but that's where I start to disagree as well. At large should always be a part of every playoff system. It is in every sport anywhere. Why is that? Because there are teams that start the season young and may drop an early game and by seasons end, beat the pants off of that same team. 1 loss should not take you out of a title hunt. If we are truly after building national interest and being the best sport in America, then fricking do it right and have a true playoff with champs and wildcards like every other sporting league anywhere.

There is too much bias, manipulations, and controversial scenarios to only include conference champs.
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Post by stlcatfan » January 18th, 2020, 5:48 pm

Opensource wrote:
January 18th, 2020, 4:36 pm
wild@nite wrote:
January 18th, 2020, 4:23 pm


But it's not. Not when we have to play everybody and some teams win their conferences and don't play everybody. We could go 12-0 and lose our championship game to be 12-1 and get left out for a hypothetical Big 10 champ, who might finish 11-2 and didn't even play the toughest teams in their conference. How is that right? Not only that, Clemson has no test at all in their conference. Nobody but them was inside the top 20. You think they get through the SEC or Big 10 undefeated? I don't.

16 team playoff is the only fair and honest way of giving all teams from all conferences a chance. The P5 champs and 11 at larges that can include a couple of G5 champs. That would be a true "playoff" that would spread the talent wealth.
This is capitalism. Fair is making defined by making money. ESPN was the large market population teams to win and enough other teams to create the illusion of a competitive league,
But even in a capitalist economic system like ours, there are anti-trust laws in place to help restrain the formation of monopolies and promote fair competition.
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Post by wild@nite » January 18th, 2020, 5:48 pm

Hypeman wrote:
January 18th, 2020, 4:55 pm
Opensource wrote:
January 18th, 2020, 4:36 pm

This is capitalism. Fair is making defined by making money. ESPN was the large market population teams to win and enough other teams to create the illusion of a competitive league,
However, KSU athletics would rather have no chance at the CFP and keep the control and money in the P5 if they continue to get some of it. Opening it up to more leagues and teams would presumably split the pot and result in less money ... and that’s all that really matters. KSU is quietly happy to have no chance if they can pretend and collect some conference money.
I get your point, but the landscape is changing and we don't know what the future $ is going to look like anyway, so position yourself to have a chance.
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Post by stlcatfan » January 18th, 2020, 5:54 pm

Maybe what needs to happen is to divide the current FBS schools into two divisions with their own national championship playoff like the FCS schools. The G5 schools could have their own championship. As it stands now, no G5 school can go into the season with the hope of winning a national championship - just their conference and their bowl game - even if they go undefeated in the regular season. That's not right.
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Post by BigDaddy » January 20th, 2020, 1:05 pm

stlcatfan, can you explain the FCS two divisions comment? I thought Division 1 is what was split, FBS and FCS then Div 2, and Div 3.

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Post by Texan4KSU » January 20th, 2020, 1:29 pm

Unfortunately, I think the only way the playoff format gets tweaked is if there is a decline in revenues.

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Post by stlcatfan » January 20th, 2020, 3:09 pm

BigDaddy wrote:
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stlcatfan, can you explain the FCS two divisions comment? I thought Division 1 is what was split, FBS and FCS then Div 2, and Div 3.
Sure. Actually, it is the FBS that has the split. FCS has their own playoff. The FBS schools are all part of what used to be called NCAA Division IA (FCS was formerly Division IAA). In the FBS ranks, there are the five Power (P5) Conferences (e.g., Big 12, Big 10, SEC, etc.) and the Group of Five (G5) conferences (e.g., AAC, MWC, C-USA, etc.).

My point was that under the current setup, the G5 schools cannot even hope to get into the CFP. Heck, just two years ago, UCF went undefeated but was left out of the CFP. They went on to beat Auburn in the Peach Bowl, but did not have the opportunity to play for a national title. My thought was that maybe with this being the case, the G5 schools should have their own playoff since the powers that be will never let them in the big boys' club.
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Post by Opensource » January 20th, 2020, 3:44 pm

stlcatfan wrote:
January 20th, 2020, 3:09 pm
BigDaddy wrote:
January 20th, 2020, 1:05 pm
stlcatfan, can you explain the FCS two divisions comment? I thought Division 1 is what was split, FBS and FCS then Div 2, and Div 3.
Sure. Actually, it is the FBS that has the split. FCS has their own playoff. The FBS schools are all part of what used to be called NCAA Division IA (FCS was formerly Division IAA). In the FBS ranks, there are the five Power (P5) Conferences (e.g., Big 12, Big 10, SEC, etc.) and the Group of Five (G5) conferences (e.g., AAC, MWC, C-USA, etc.).

My point was that under the current setup, the G5 schools cannot even hope to get into the CFP. Heck, just two years ago, UCF went undefeated but was left out of the CFP. They went on to beat Auburn in the Peach Bowl, but did not have the opportunity to play for a national title. My thought was that maybe with this being the case, the G5 schools should have their own playoff since the powers that be will never let them in the big boys' club.
My understanding the G5 conferences basically said we are leaving with our money to other NCAA D1 schools and they bent over and said ok but we will still play with you. The NCAA could have said stick it.

If you go back in history the folks with the money seem to control the system and everyone goes along with that. The NIT used to be a competing basketball tournament to the NCAA. The NIAA used to be a competing organization. For women the AIAW led all women's programs and did really well with their own sponsorships and TV rights. Most if not all schools had separate male and female ADs. Then, NCAA decided they were making money that they wanted and they took over women's sport.

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