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Post by tmcats » January 14th, 2020, 10:49 am

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He obviously went fcs to be able to play immediately folks. The kid is a freak athletically and could have helped the team THIS year in a qb run package specifically designed for him. Its pathetic some posters on this board think they can gloat that a former player is no good before they have started a single game anywhere.
i don't believe we have been gloating by pointing out that all the rapture here over his leaving k-state was most likely ill-placed given where he ended up. this is a discussion board after all. people come to express their opinions mostly about others' opinions, right?
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Post by AJcat7755 » January 14th, 2020, 1:14 pm

tmcats wrote:
January 14th, 2020, 10:49 am
gdgjr78 wrote:
January 14th, 2020, 4:03 am
He obviously went fcs to be able to play immediately folks. The kid is a freak athletically and could have helped the team THIS year in a qb run package specifically designed for him. Its pathetic some posters on this board think they can gloat that a former player is no good before they have started a single game anywhere.
i don't believe we have been gloating by pointing out that all the rapture here over his leaving k-state was most likely ill-placed given where he ended up. this is a discussion board after all. people come to express their opinions mostly about others' opinions, right?
No one is gloating, but isn't this the exact point being made?

Holcombe is not good enough to be a FBS starter at QB, at least not in 2020 as a rJR. With only 2 years left to play, it doesn't look like he would have progressed to a starter at the FBS either given his options to transfer that no one else was thinking he could either. He could help as a runner, due to his athletic abilities, but 1-3 plays a game is not a significant contributor of a scholarship unless he was able to play other positions, like TE. Since it appears he didn't want to play TE, his scholarship is better used elsewhere on a player that will contribute more to the team.

The only place he is able to start, or compete for a starting QB job, is the FCS level. We will see how he does, but I think most would be skeptical to think he is going to be a great passer, even at the FCS level. But at the FCS level, there is a lot more QB running, which will suit him.

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Post by tmcats » January 14th, 2020, 1:15 pm

correct. the gloating thing is a classic straw man argumentation technique.
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Post by Hypeman » January 14th, 2020, 1:30 pm

AJcat7755 wrote:
January 14th, 2020, 1:14 pm
tmcats wrote:
January 14th, 2020, 10:49 am


i don't believe we have been gloating by pointing out that all the rapture here over his leaving k-state was most likely ill-placed given where he ended up. this is a discussion board after all. people come to express their opinions mostly about others' opinions, right?
No one is gloating, but isn't this the exact point being made?

Holcombe is not good enough to be a FBS starter at QB, at least not in 2020 as a rJR. With only 2 years left to play, it doesn't look like he would have progressed to a starter at the FBS either given his options to transfer that no one else was thinking he could either. He could help as a runner, due to his athletic abilities, but 1-3 plays a game is not a significant contributor of a scholarship unless he was able to play other positions, like TE. Since it appears he didn't want to play TE, his scholarship is better used elsewhere on a player that will contribute more to the team.

The only place he is able to start, or compete for a starting QB job, is the FCS level. We will see how he does, but I think most would be skeptical to think he is going to be a great passer, even at the FCS level. But at the FCS level, there is a lot more QB running, which will suit him.
There’s “a lot” of opinion and assumption there. You are assuming he had no other options. Do you know that? Maybe he had other motivations like perhaps he wanted to be at one of the top HBCUs? Or in the sunshine state? Or maybe his grandma lives there? Sounds to me like you and a few others are trying to justify the loss of a real good athlete by ridiculing him.

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Post by Gorhoops » January 14th, 2020, 1:48 pm

Well I don't claim to know what options he had, but all you had to do was follow Twitter to know he wasn't getting many offers. Just within the last week he, or someone close to him, posted a video of him working out and essentially begging someone to give him a shot. After he left the KSU team, he posted every offer he got, and they were all juco's, so who knows.

Maybe he wanted a HBCU, but it sure didn't seem to matter on Twitter, he was just looking for anyone that would give him a shot.

I have no ill will toward him, he was signed by a different staff with a different style of play at the QB position. If he wanted to stay at QB, it was in his best interest to look elsewhere. No big deal. He seemed like a good kid.

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Post by AJcat7755 » January 14th, 2020, 2:06 pm

Gorhoops wrote:
January 14th, 2020, 1:48 pm
Well I don't claim to know what options he had, but all you had to do was follow Twitter to know he wasn't getting many offers. Just within the last week he, or someone close to him, posted a video of him working out and essentially begging someone to give him a shot. After he left the KSU team, he posted every offer he got, and they were all juco's, so who knows.

Maybe he wanted a HBCU, but it sure didn't seem to matter on Twitter, he was just looking for anyone that would give him a shot.

I have no ill will toward him, he was signed by a different staff with a different style of play at the QB position. If he wanted to stay at QB, it was in his best interest to look elsewhere. No big deal. He seemed like a good kid.
This point exactly. He would have posted better offers if he got them.

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Post by Hypeman » January 14th, 2020, 2:14 pm

AJcat7755 wrote:
January 14th, 2020, 2:06 pm
Gorhoops wrote:
January 14th, 2020, 1:48 pm
Well I don't claim to know what options he had, but all you had to do was follow Twitter to know he wasn't getting many offers. Just within the last week he, or someone close to him, posted a video of him working out and essentially begging someone to give him a shot. After he left the KSU team, he posted every offer he got, and they were all juco's, so who knows.

Maybe he wanted a HBCU, but it sure didn't seem to matter on Twitter, he was just looking for anyone that would give him a shot.

I have no ill will toward him, he was signed by a different staff with a different style of play at the QB position. If he wanted to stay at QB, it was in his best interest to look elsewhere. No big deal. He seemed like a good kid.
This point exactly. He would have posted better offers if he got them.
Again ... that’s an assumption. I try not to trust those.

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Post by AJcat7755 » January 14th, 2020, 2:16 pm

Hypeman wrote:
January 14th, 2020, 2:14 pm
AJcat7755 wrote:
January 14th, 2020, 2:06 pm


This point exactly. He would have posted better offers if he got them.
Again ... that’s an assumption. I try not to trust those.
So you think that he got some great FBS offers, choose not to post them and also choose Florida A&M over those offers? Stop trolling.

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Post by tmcats » January 14th, 2020, 2:26 pm

Hypeman wrote:
January 14th, 2020, 2:14 pm
AJcat7755 wrote:
January 14th, 2020, 2:06 pm


This point exactly. He would have posted better offers if he got them.
Again ... that’s an assumption. I try not to trust those.
yes, it's probably best to judge outcomes based on facts rather than assumptions.
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Post by Hypeman » January 14th, 2020, 2:26 pm

AJcat7755 wrote:
January 14th, 2020, 2:16 pm
Hypeman wrote:
January 14th, 2020, 2:14 pm


Again ... that’s an assumption. I try not to trust those.
So you think that he got some great FBS offers, choose not to post them and also choose Florida A&M over those offers? Stop trolling.
Maybe he got an offer from say, Akron, or Tulsa, or dozens of other schools in hell holes he might choose FL A&M over? Who knows. You don’t. I see nothing other than opinions, assumptions, speculation, and attempts to trash a young man who’s probably not even old enough to drink a beer. Shame on you. I could care less before reading all these posts, but now I hope the kid kicks some ass next year. And FL A&M, going to get a degree from the 2nd highest rated HBCU, Good on ya mate.

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