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Re: KSU vs ISU

Post by Westriverbison » December 1st, 2019, 8:41 am

Great game by the Cats. I’ve watched a lot of Klieman football over the years. I’m elated for the success his team had this year. The drive in the fourth quarter was classic. Run the ball and eat clock, watch the opponent slowly fade away as they realize the inevitable.

The comments by some on here I’ve seen before, on Bison boards. No imagination on offense? Laughable. You don’t have to throw the ball 50 times a game for the offense to be innovative. I realize it’s not exciting for some fans, but I really enjoy watching the opposition slowly wilt. Holcomb was never going to be a fit as quarterback in this offense. He was destined to be one of the greatest tight ends in KState history. I think he knew that and decided that path wasn’t for him. I hope he finds a system that fits him and has wild success.

I think KState best days are coming. I have that much confidence in Coach K.

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Post by ksustars754 » December 1st, 2019, 9:09 am

Well worth the 10 hour drive from Chicago! It’s so satisfying to beat ISU and their delusional weirdo fans.

-DL, while not many sacks, got consistent pressure on Purdy. I was impressed.
-DBs, besides Goolsby bad angle on post, were solid. Lance Robinson is a going to be a star.
-OL got their juice back and enforced their will.
-RBs and WRs did an outstanding job blocking. They couldn’t catch but definitely blocked well which turned 5 yard runs into 15 yarders.
-Messingham saw his QB was shaken. What’d he do? Decided to pound the ball and not look back. Awesome job by him.
-Blake Lynch is special. That kick was so awesome into the wind.
-Youngblood and KR unit overall were best in the nation, yet again.

One “Negative”/Gripe
-It was blustery and cold but it’s late November in the Midwest, I’m not sure what everyone expects. The crowd was pathetic and yes it was mainly students and mainly post halftime but that makes me sad for our players especially. The crowd that showed up was pretty loud though.

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Pick 'Em

Post by RichardZ » December 1st, 2019, 10:43 am

What a nice game for the seniors on this team to remember. Crappy weather day and playing knockem' in the nose football against a ranked team.

Every team has a 'woulda, coulda, shoulda' and West Virginia and Texas were our games. Would have been sweet to garner 10 wins before a bowl game. But, all in all an 8 win season when most folks were just wishing and hoping for any bowl game before the season started to me is a pretty successful season. New coaches, new systems and all.

Congrats Cats! You guys have a lot to be proud of....

One of the nicest parts is that I think we have some underclassmen who are going to be difference makers on the field come the next few years.
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Post by KITNooga » December 1st, 2019, 10:46 am

mustang wrote:
December 1st, 2019, 2:42 am
Kansas State has owned this series, lots of close wins and the game this year was a little more comfortable.
great observation this week in the Texas game: that this texas team won 7 one-score games last year. games that could have gone either way.
call them 50-50 games. UT was 'that close' to losing 7 games MORE.

I was thinking about how we've given up some huge leads in this series last night.

again, here's to OUR 'most stubborn sons of ******* in the Big 12'!

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Post by Tbonespop » December 1st, 2019, 10:59 am

I really hope that last nights game shuts up some of the media yapper talking heads about us not being able to block a 3 man front (Yes, Kurtz and Fitz, I'm talking to you guys and your chronies). Please STFU about it.

Kansas State OWNED the trenches in this game - both sides. Our big uglies came into this game with something to prove. It was like night and day from what this team did against ISU and WVU. This was a great win by the team. Very proud of the team, coaches, and program. Looking forward to the bowl game.

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Post by xtrawildcat » December 1st, 2019, 5:56 pm

ArKSU wrote:
December 1st, 2019, 2:15 am
As a 2nd generation coach, H.S. and College, who grew up around HOF coaches, it is just awesomely funny reading all these experts who wouldn't know a power play from a speed option.

Can't find my Duffy Daughtery book an the Winged T right now but every version of the RPO is covered in that book. Used to base my Veer, RPO, and Spread Option on. Even stole some Broken Bone and Speed Option from Duffy.
Thanks for your input.
One question about offensive line schemes. It seemed to me we went away from all the pulling we did in the first couple of Big 12 games and now are straight ahead zone blocking similar to what Dickie had these guys do. Also having more success. I would be interested in your thoughts on this.

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Post by iowa_wildcat » December 1st, 2019, 7:21 pm

The pulling many times will not work when defenses stunt their linemen and/or blitz their linebackers. Zone blocking allows offensive linemen to block whoever is in their assigned gap regardless who it is or where they came from.

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Post by Opensource » December 1st, 2019, 7:32 pm

Purdy isn't really competitive. That is their problem. Running for a critical 1st down he decides to slide about 3 yards from making it or so. That was the time to give up your body to win the game.

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Post by hilltopwildcat » December 1st, 2019, 9:14 pm

MajorAppleCat wrote:
December 1st, 2019, 2:11 am
Happy for the win. A must win to get a better bowl game.

Special teams were special.

No stupid penalties... must have worked on eliminating those since last week.

Offense played well under the circumstances, except for dropped passes.

Defense played very well... as usual. However, tackling remains a concern.

Could have easily been a blow-out.

Students decided not to show up for an important game (Kstate and KU really need to schedule their game following Thanksgiving.)
Good post. Sitting above the students I thought there was a decent turnout. I was surprised there were that many. I was surprised as many fans as possible stuck around as long as they did. The whorn game in 2012 was cold but it was a beautiful cold night, not played in a gale like last night. I missed the "Snow Angel" game.

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Post by ArKSU » December 1st, 2019, 9:15 pm

One question about offensive line schemes. It seemed to me we went away from all the pulling we did in the first couple of Big 12 games and now are straight ahead zone blocking similar to what Dickie had these guys do. Also having more success. I would be interested in your thoughts on this.
To truly be successful with pulling interior linemen they have to be fast and LARGE.

HCCK had that luxury at NDSU, and might eventually have it again at KSU, but until his interior linemen are at least as fast as the defense he's facing and adds multiple TEs who can effectively fill the gaps left by the pulling linemen, zone blocking is much easier and sometimes more effective.

In the Veer, RPO, Wishbone, and Triple option that the Service Acadmies run, your OL only needs to engage the DL or LBs for one, possibly 2 seconds. Each play is designed for the back to hit the hole and then angle (Veer) away from the defensive flow. When you pull, however, the Dl or LBs have to be engaged by someone for 3-4 seconds which is much harder.

In the zone scheme, the rules for OL is nearly instantaneous: where is your man; head-up, inside, outside? based on the play.

Personally, I prefer the zone scheme because the deeper you get into the game the more the OL learns about the moves and stunts the DL is using a majority of the time and learning how to counter the DL moves is much eaiser. Also, halftime adjustments are easier to break down.

To be perfectly honest the only time my teams pulled was when we ran the 2 plays made famous by SoCal in the 50s and 60s and by Lombardi at Green Bay.

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