Isaiah Zuber - Transferring

[KsJoey]

I second the notion... Schools should have the ability to block transfer to any school on the schedule if they chose so, when the transfer can play immediately. The whole concept of playing for a team and then a few months later, playing against them on an opposing team, is just not right on several levels.

[AJcat7755]

I second the notion... Schools should have the ability to block transfer to any school on the schedule if they chose so, when the transfer can play immediately. The whole concept of playing for a team and then a few months later, playing against them on an opposing team, is just not right on several levels.

To be clear, schools can't block transfers at all. What they could do, at least tried to do in the past, is block the players ability to get a scholarship at a new school, which essentially blocks the transfer because players want the scholarship to pay their way. But it's not like they can stop a player from going to another school to get an education, or even to see the field as a walkon paying their own way.

One one side, this transfer portal mania is increasing transfers, so should there be a block on not being able to transfer to schools they would play the old school in their career?

On the other side, players come to schools, within a conference, because they are going to be playing in their home state and they didn't want to, or couldn't get on, the home state school. For example, players from TX that UT didn't recruit, going to other Big 12 schools. If you block future opponents, you aren't letting players go back near home if they choose to do so.

All that said, MSU will be 3 games into the season. The outcome of the game before this transfer is probably still going to be the same outcome after. It will be interesting to see if Zuber makes an impact, and can get on the field that early anyways. He wasn't always known as a player that showed up and studied hard, so learning a new playbook, with new teammates and trying to take over existing WRs on the depth chart in short time coming off an injury will be a challenge.

And Zuber probably didn't learn much from CK's playbook to take to MSU to make that an issue. But K-State's CBs know Zuber from practicing against him, just as he knows the CBs. The question is who wins out with this knowledge?

For K-State's sake, maybe they will let him returns punts

[Sancho Panza]

Perhaps you don't know how sorry our receivers were last year?

[Sancho Panza]

Lots of dropped passes last season.

Take a look at the one Vs. I o-way*; hit our dropper middle of chest, for interception, & a 10 point swing...



*that's where the tall corn grows..

Bonus points for naming the film I borrowed for the quote.

[KsJoey]

I second the notion... Schools should have the ability to block transfer to any school on the schedule if they chose so, when the transfer can play immediately. The whole concept of playing for a team and then a few months later, playing against them on an opposing team, is just not right on several levels.

To be clear, schools can't block transfers at all. What they could do, at least tried to do in the past, is block the players ability to get a scholarship at a new school, which essentially blocks the transfer because players want the scholarship to pay their way. But it's not like they can stop a player from going to another school to get an education, or even to see the field as a walkon paying their own way.

One one side, this transfer portal mania is increasing transfers, so should there be a block on not being able to transfer to schools they would play the old school in their career?

On the other side, players come to schools, within a conference, because they are going to be playing in their home state and they didn't want to, or couldn't get on, the home state school. For example, players from TX that UT didn't recruit, going to other Big 12 schools. If you block future opponents, you aren't letting players go back near home if they choose to do so.

All that said, MSU will be 3 games into the season. The outcome of the game before this transfer is probably still going to be the same outcome after. It will be interesting to see if Zuber makes an impact, and can get on the field that early anyways. He wasn't always known as a player that showed up and studied hard, so learning a new playbook, with new teammates and trying to take over existing WRs on the depth chart in short time coming off an injury will be a challenge.

And Zuber probably didn't learn much from CK's playbook to take to MSU to make that an issue. But K-State's CBs know Zuber from practicing against him, just as he knows the CBs. The question is who wins out with this knowledge?

For K-State's sake, maybe they will let him returns punts

If a kid is going to pay his own pay, then definitely, he should be able to choose. And I understand the concept of kids wanting to go back to their home state to play. But even in your example with Texas players, there are still quite a few schools in Texas that KSU doesn't play, so you'd basically be blocking the scholarship for about 4 Texas schools, out of a list of many. Sure it would limit the kid a bit, but only from about 12 schools in the entire nation, which is still a very small percentage. Just my 2 cents on ways to improve to process

[AJcat7755]

Perhaps you don't know how sorry our receivers were last year?

Have you seen Zuber's game log from last year?

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/pl ... elog/2018/

Overall, he averaged 4.3 receptions, 51.6 yards and .42 TDs a game and that included 2 big games against UTSA and WVU.

He had a few great games, but disappeared at times. Part of it was the offense being run, but part of it was him. He also made some very costly turnovers in the return game in close games:

K-State leading 14-12 at half versus Baylor. Zuber fumbles the 2nd half kickoff giving Baylor the ball on the 19 yard line. They scored an easy TD. K-State would battle back and forth, even getting back up 27-20, but ended up losing 37-34 on a Baylor FG with 8 seconds left. Had Zuber not fumbled, K-State would have at very least burned some clock making less time at the end for Baylor to score the last FG, but given how the defenses weren't showing up, K-State could have easily scored a TD with that drive. The rest of the drives in the 2nd half for K-State were: missed FG, TD, TD, INT, TD, so the offense was making it down the field on Baylor.

At the start of the K-State/TCU game, K-State forced TCU to punt after going 3 and out on their opening drive. K-State was looking to have great field position with a 32 yard punt, which a fair catch would put K-State at their own 43 yard line. However, Zuber muffed the punt and fumbled it away to TCU, giving TCU the ball on K-State's 43 yard line instead. 4 plays later, TCU scores a TD and K-State played behind the entire game. TCU ended up winning 14-13. Had K-State had the ball instead, they could have scored and set the pace.

[Sancho Panza]

Another Butterfingers; should fit just right, :rolleyes:

[KITNooga]

bunch of folks here not seeing how 'one more year' often means an improved player.

think about one more year with Byron Pringle. what he might have played like. what it might have meant to the team.

but nope, much easier to just trash a kid.


Zuber has made his choices. Wish him well wherever he goes. Will miss watching him play for the Purple and the White.

[AJcat7755]

bunch of folks here not seeing how 'one more year' often means an improved player.

think about one more year with Byron Pringle. what he might have played like. what it might have meant to the team.

but nope, much easier to just trash a kid.


Zuber has made his choices. Wish him well wherever he goes. Will miss watching him play for the Purple and the White.

It is not trashing Zuber by accurately stating his stats and results.

There are faults in trying to use the 1 more year theory with Zuber. Zuber is going to a new team, with a new coach, a new offense, a new playbook, a new QB and is no longer the #1 WR on the team. That is markedly different then a player returning back to the same team and keeping several things constant. There is nothing that is remaining the same with Zuber at MSU.

It would also be another note that 1 more year didn't really help Zuber improve all that much from this SO to JR years. His stats slightly improved, but some of which could be attributed to the loss of Pringle as the other WR pushing Zuber into the #1 spot which he didn't thrive in, as well as taking on extra duties in the return game, which was not an area of success.

He is also coming off a hip injury. He has not spent the entire offseason working out with his new team like other returning players would.

A change of scenery, and maybe not being the #1 WR could benefit Zuber and it will be interesting to see how he does. It just doesn't seem realistic to expect him to instantly be MSU #1 WR and put up significantly greater numbers then he did at K-State just because he is 1 year older. K-State could have used his experience, and he is a loss for the team, but he wasn't going to be a 1000 yard, 10 TD WR for K-State either. While it's never good to lose an experienced WR, it is also slightly mitigated that CK's offense will have 2 WRs on the field most of the time, opting for more TE or backs on the field compared to 3 or 4 WR sets.

I would set the O/U on Zuber's stats at MSU at 55 receptions, 650 yards and 6 TDs. That would be much better then any WR MSU had last year, but only a moderate improvement over what he did at K-State his JR year.

Another small note, Zuber is 22 years old his SR year of college. Pringle was 24 years old his JR year at K-State and would have been 25 years old his SR year. Trying to compare having Pringle back, who would have been older then some NFL players, to having Zuber back is not apples to apples.

[wildroychi]

...the Music Man?





Lots of dropped passes last season.

Take a look at the one Vs. I o-way*; hit our dropper middle of chest, for interception, & a 10 point swing...



*that's where the tall corn grows..

Bonus points for naming the film I borrowed for the quote.
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