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Re: wowzer, bill gets $3 million buyout ...

Post by opcatzen » December 13th, 2018, 12:31 am

These coache$ are all about $$$. I respect coach Snyder but comeon. He doesn't deserve that. This is everything about Div.1 athletics that I hate. Every game is basically pay per view now on channels half of us don't get. Remember the AD is paid by donations and income from football. If football goes down then so do University salaries. You really have a big conflict of interest here. Similar to why college tuitions are going through the roof.

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Post by MajorAppleCat » December 13th, 2018, 1:13 am

opcatzen wrote:
December 13th, 2018, 12:19 am
MajorAppleCat wrote:
December 12th, 2018, 8:04 pm


I was on board to have Coach Snyder coach for another couple of years. I also know change is inevitable. I believe Coach Snyder has set this team up to have a big year next year. The team is set to have experience at the QB, WR and RB positions (if Barnes does not leave). I would have preferred to not have Delton leave.

Those wanting a pro-style QB, will need pro-style offensive linemen. Otherwise, ST will be running for his life. I'm not sure Coach K-man will know how to handle the quality of the defensive pass rush that exists at this level. To a great extent, Coach Snyder offset issues of talent with having a talented running QB.
Hey Major. How do you know the big year is next year? What happened to this year? How do you explain NDS victories over Big12 teams? Just saying. Just wondering.
As one poster has already stated, I believe ST will be a better fit for Klieman's offense than he was under HCBS's. The offense should be improved and more poised. The big question to me will be along the offensive line and giving ST protection. HCBS struggled this season with naming a starting QB which was a problem. Seiler did a good job with the defense and I would expect no matter who is coaching them that they will be just as good or better. Special teams were not very good due to the play of Zuber. I would expect next year that they will be much better.

For all that can be said, KState could have easily won a few more games last year, i.e., Texas, Baylor, TCU and ISU. They lost those games primarily due to KState not being able to finish drives. I attribute most of those losses due to the inexperience of the QBs.
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Post by POWRCAT » December 13th, 2018, 3:47 am

I am not particularly proud to be a KSU Alumni or Fan right now. The $3 Million Buyout, Paid as per contract and accepted by Snyder means HOFHCBS was basically made to Retire. Bill is not going to make a fuss about it publicly, to save face for the University. We've only had a total of 4 winning seasons in the prior 82 years that were not Coached by Snyder.

Hell, the World Champion Philadelphia Eagles, that were 16-3 last year, are now losers at 6-7. I guess their Coach is too old, and should be removed from the Program! Same things with the Minnesota Vikings, the went 14-4 last year and played in the NFC Title game. Now they are 6-6-1, and it's because old Coach Zimmer can't Coach anymore.

I agree with the notion that Snyder was is position to have a very good Season next year. 18 of 22 Starters returning, 2 QB's coming back that would most likely be improved. After losing our dual OC's in 2017, The New Offensive Coaches would be better next year also.

As for needing to get rid of Snyder for recruiting, yes I see the point, but we have already lost 1 of our QB's (Delton), because Snyder is gone. Thinking positively, Having a good Season next year and going to a good Bowl game, would have done much for recruiting.

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Post by purplemob » December 13th, 2018, 4:55 am

I guess I'm the only one in the state of Kansas, or at least on this board, that believes even if coach was semi-forced to retire, it was the right choice. The reason I say it was the right choice is not because I'm unhappy with anything, personally I think Snyder can still coach this game better than most people alive. To me the reason I believe it was time is due to Snyder's health. I have watched 4 family members fight cancer and go through treatments. All of them were healthy and much younger than Snyder. Even when they were in remission or it was declared gone, their energy never returned to the same level. Bill has looked tired all year. If that was my dad or grandpa out there I would want to spend more time with them given the situation. Y'all need to stop worrying so much about the football program, the business dealings, or anything else and think about the people involved.

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Post by KsJoey » December 13th, 2018, 9:14 am

I don't have any insider information... but I would doubt the choice to step down was 100% Snyders choice. He wasn't retiring completely on his own terms. And unless he was, then i'm okay with the buyout.

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Post by hilltopwildcat » December 13th, 2018, 9:16 am

"but we have already lost 1 of our QB's (Delton), because Snyder is gone."

That was Delton's decision. We have a whole thread bashing Grier from the 'eers for not playing in a bowl game, why not bashing of Delton not coming back for his senior year?

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Post by hilltopwildcat » December 13th, 2018, 9:18 am

POWRCAT wrote:
December 13th, 2018, 3:47 am
I am not particularly proud to be a KSU Alumni or Fan right now. The $3 Million Buyout, Paid as per contract and accepted by Snyder means HOFHCBS was basically made to Retire. Bill is not going to make a fuss about it publicly, to save face for the University. We've only had a total of 4 winning seasons in the prior 82 years that were not Coached by Snyder.

Hell, the World Champion Philadelphia Eagles, that were 16-3 last year, are now losers at 6-7. I guess their Coach is too old, and should be removed from the Program! Same things with the Minnesota Vikings, the went 14-4 last year and played in the NFC Title game. Now they are 6-6-1, and it's because old Coach Zimmer can't Coach anymore.

I agree with the notion that Snyder was is position to have a very good Season next year. 18 of 22 Starters returning, 2 QB's coming back that would most likely be improved. After losing our dual OC's in 2017, The New Offensive Coaches would be better next year also.

As for needing to get rid of Snyder for recruiting, yes I see the point, but we have already lost 1 of our QB's (Delton), because Snyder is gone. Thinking positively, Having a good Season next year and going to a good Bowl game, would have done much for recruiting.
Apparently Taylor agreed somewhat with the masses. We'll probably never know the details. I think from Taylor's hire of Klieman, he has shown that the "crowd" doesn't drive his decisions.

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Post by purplemob » December 13th, 2018, 9:58 am

hilltopwildcat wrote:
December 13th, 2018, 9:16 am
"but we have already lost 1 of our QB's (Delton), because Snyder is gone."

That was Delton's decision. We have a whole thread bashing Grier from the 'eers for not playing in a bowl game, why not bashing of Delton not coming back for his senior year?
Well if you believe the hype and rumors about Holcombe then Delton may have found himself further down on the depth chart this year. Klieman's offensive system, at least what was ran at NDSU requires a quarterback who can throw much more accurately than Delton. Delton is a QB much more apt to play Snyder's style of offense than Klieman's. That's not a bash on Delton at all. I loved watching him play and he provided a much needed spark in multiple games which led to wins. He just may have felt he wasn't going to be a good fit for the new system.

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Post by Gorhoops » December 13th, 2018, 10:08 am

One other point that could be made here, and I heard Fitz say it yesterday, and I know you take what he says with a grain of salt, but he said on 580 yesterday that a bunch of players were leaving had Coach Snyder come back. He even said he knew the names, but obviously wouldn't release that information. So even if Fitz is full of crap, I have heard that too much for there to be nothing to it. So to say we would return 18 or 22 starters, that may not have been the case.

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Post by wazucat » December 13th, 2018, 11:09 am

A week ago Gene was being lauded for how masterfully and gracefully he handled the situation. Now that a few facts slip out through the cracks his handling appears less than brilliant and the "search" effort nothing more than a smoke screen.

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