Serious Question

[Ksuminnesotacat]

Is this staff using AJ completely wrong? I mean his game is mobile athleticism, and it seems to me they are trying to make him a pocket passer.. just like TBone is always saying over and over about the defense doesn’t matter if you bring pressure and play off and not
Disrupt the WR timing. Coaching inefficiency….

Just like with AJ making him stationary in the pocket is killing him. The one option they ran he kept the ball and took off for nineteen yards. Why only one of those all game wait there were two one he pitched to Dylan but that was at like the twelve yard line.. Every time this team gets a little shine on them this staff finds away to piss it away. It’s not the kids this happens every damn year and decade…

A lot to play for yet but man I have never seen a more identity deficiency addled program in my life.. Dylan needs to play every damn snap as well as Travis Hunter on offense too… the half hearted no urgency two minute offense started the whole ball rolling last night what the heck?.

[spot2180]

I wouldn't say completely wrong, but do believe that they force him into straight up passing situations when no one is respecting his ability to put the ball into tight windows. I know there will obviously be situations where you need to pass the ball, like 3rd and long, but everyone knows by now that passing is not AJ's strong suit, and they will take their chances. So why not run first pass later? I was glad to see the various options that were run last night, and I think more of that needs to happen. The OL is playing pretty well and all three, DJ, AJ, and Edwards get a lot more positive yards than negative. I think focusing on the run game to set up the pass is what the Cats need to do more of. If linebackers are dropping into pass coverage, let's keep'em thinking that there is no need to pass. Teams will load the box, but the cats already have plays that allows their speed to can get the edge.

And use those athletic TEs in the run game. That should be in Reilly's wheel house anyway. And then one slips off a block and runs the seam. The QB Power game is a real bitch to defend. And if you are worried about AJ getting hurt, put another back in there and run the wild cat.

Just my thoughts. Trying to hope AJ's passing game comes around by mid season doesn't help the Cats reach their goals. A great ground game would, would though.

[Kstate00]

Maybe but many of these players want to show off their passing abilities because in the end their ultimate goal is to make it into the league. And it doesn't matter if Avery lead us to two undefeated regular seasons in a row if he doesn't show the NFL that he has the passing abilities to be successful at their level he isn't going to get drafted high and if he did make it to the league would probably have to take a pay cut to what he was making at K-State.

[Ksuminnesotacat]

I’m just trying to understand why are they limiting his ability he maybe a roll out passer by nature. TheDrew Bledsoe pocket passer is not his natural strong suit… move him around. And learn a sense of urgency staff…

[privyet]

I think KSU would do really well if they ran the RPO more. AJ is made for it.

[Tbonespop]

Just some random thoughts on the topic.

1) Avery isn't a great passer. He's not even a good passer. But he's a good enough passer that opposing defenses have to respect the short and intermediate pass. That's good enough to keep our running game open and effective.
2) Avery is only good at throwing to WIDE open WRs. That's pretty typical for a young QB. He hasn't developed his passing to a level of throwing into tight windows. I don't see that happening this season, so temper expectations. Maybe next season he might get there. He's got a long way to go.
3) To have an ideal offense that "clicks" like we did with Will Howard last year, you have to have a vertical threat. That means, both the QB has to be able to accurately throw deep, and we have to have WRs that can get open deep. We need deep threats at WR. Our only dude for that is Brown.
4) Even if we had elite talent at WR, we would be wasting their talent. I believe our WR coaching is lacking and also our offensive scheme doesn't help our WRs. When was the last time we completed a shallow cross route to a WR. I'll wait.....There is ZERO creativity in our passing game and WR route running. We're as bland as mormon underwear in that regard.
5) BYU had a bunch of white mormon dudes at CB playing tight man coverage on our WRs and they couldn't get separation. I know we have enough talent at WR to get open against their CBs. Their CBs were slightly better than average. Contrast that to our CBs who are constantly playing soft zone coverage (me banging my head) Why is this important? Because BYU CBs were disrupting the timing between our QB and WRs. Have I ever said how important that is?
6) I'm kind of surprised Avery with all his speed, has never ripped off a really long run from scrimmage for a TD. I've been waiting for an Ell Roberson type run and have yet to see it.
7) So here we are and we got what we got. We know what we are and where we are strong. Our competition knows it too. This is an offense that is highly dependent on "staying on schedule" and not "getting behind the chains". We have a GREAT running game and an average passing game.

In my opinion, we have a lot to play for. The first target and goal to reach is bowl eligibility. Get to 6 wins as fast as possible. The second target to reach is making the conference championship game. The 3rd is winning the conference championship. From there, go to the 12 team playoff. The coaching staff needs to break things down and segment the goals. Win each set of downs. Then focus on winning each possession. Win the quarter.

The coaching staff isn't innocent by any means in the wake of last night's debacle. After the late first half collapse, the game was still within reach, and we didn't play with any tempo when we were down. WTAF? We played with more tempo earlier in the game in the first with good success - iot helped keep the BYU crowd out of impacting the game. Had we come out of half time and put up a TD and 2 point conversion, the game would have been 24-14. BYU wasn't an offensive juggernaut. Close the game to within 10 and we could have still come back. But that first possession after half time was more of the same crap. No tempo, no plan. Just same crap. As Wild said in another thread, this was one of the every year vintage Chis Klieman WTF games.

The coaches have to use the BYU game as a serious teaching moment and as an example of how mistakes can compound if you don't play disciplined, smart football. Stay on schedule. Don't compound mistakes. At least we had one of our WTF games before we play OSU - which is one of our typical WTF games. Maybe we get things back on track next weekend.

[Ksuminnesotacat]

So in other words they are not utilizing and playing our game geared towards the talent we have.?

[Tbonespop]

So in other words they are not utilizing and playing our game geared towards the talent we have.?

Yup, beer me

[privyet]

Just some random thoughts on the topic.

1) Avery isn't a great passer. He's not even a good passer. But he's a good enough passer that opposing defenses have to respect the short and intermediate pass. That's good enough to keep our running game open and effective.
2) Avery is only good at throwing to WIDE open WRs. That's pretty typical for a young QB. He hasn't developed his passing to a level of throwing into tight windows. I don't see that happening this season, so temper expectations. Maybe next season he might get there. He's got a long way to go.
3) To have an ideal offense that "clicks" like we did with Will Howard last year, you have to have a vertical threat. That means, both the QB has to be able to accurately throw deep, and we have to have WRs that can get open deep. We need deep threats at WR. Our only dude for that is Brown.
4) Even if we had elite talent at WR, we would be wasting their talent. I believe our WR coaching is lacking and also our offensive scheme doesn't help our WRs. When was the last time we completed a shallow cross route to a WR. I'll wait.....There is ZERO creativity in our passing game and WR route running. We're as bland as mormon underwear in that regard.
5) BYU had a bunch of white mormon dudes at CB playing tight man coverage on our WRs and they couldn't get separation. I know we have enough talent at WR to get open against their CBs. Their CBs were slightly better than average. Contrast that to our CBs who are constantly playing soft zone coverage (me banging my head) Why is this important? Because BYU CBs were disrupting the timing between our QB and WRs. Have I ever said how important that is?
6) I'm kind of surprised Avery with all his speed, has never ripped off a really long run from scrimmage for a TD. I've been waiting for an Ell Roberson type run and have yet to see it.
7) So here we are and we got what we got. We know what we are and where we are strong. Our competition knows it too. This is an offense that is highly dependent on "staying on schedule" and not "getting behind the chains". We have a GREAT running game and an average passing game.

In my opinion, we have a lot to play for. The first target and goal to reach is bowl eligibility. Get to 6 wins as fast as possible. The second target to reach is making the conference championship game. The 3rd is winning the conference championship. From there, go to the 12 team playoff. The coaching staff needs to break things down and segment the goals. Win each set of downs. Then focus on winning each possession. Win the quarter.

The coaching staff isn't innocent by any means in the wake of last night's debacle. After the late first half collapse, the game was still within reach, and we didn't play with any tempo when we were down. WTAF? We played with more tempo earlier in the game in the first with good success - iot helped keep the BYU crowd out of impacting the game. Had we come out of half time and put up a TD and 2 point conversion, the game would have been 24-14. BYU wasn't an offensive juggernaut. Close the game to within 10 and we could have still come back. But that first possession after half time was more of the same crap. No tempo, no plan. Just same crap. As Wild said in another thread, this was one of the every year vintage Chis Klieman WTF games.

The coaches have to use the BYU game as a serious teaching moment and as an example of how mistakes can compound if you don't play disciplined, smart football. Stay on schedule. Don't compound mistakes. At least we had one of our WTF games before we play OSU - which is one of our typical WTF games. Maybe we get things back on track next weekend.

Excellent detailed informative post, tbones.... I totally agree. My main concern is our WR's are just not getting separation..,.coaching obviously is a big concern and you have to have a semblance of a passing game to be successful. It's been a problem area for a few years now....At least we had Ben Sinnott last year, this year very little, if anything

[epicsnyder]

Just some random thoughts on the topic.

1) Avery isn't a great passer. He's not even a good passer. But he's a good enough passer that opposing defenses have to respect the short and intermediate pass. That's good enough to keep our running game open and effective.
2) Avery is only good at throwing to WIDE open WRs. That's pretty typical for a young QB. He hasn't developed his passing to a level of throwing into tight windows. I don't see that happening this season, so temper expectations. Maybe next season he might get there. He's got a long way to go.
3) To have an ideal offense that "clicks" like we did with Will Howard last year, you have to have a vertical threat. That means, both the QB has to be able to accurately throw deep, and we have to have WRs that can get open deep. We need deep threats at WR. Our only dude for that is Brown.
4) Even if we had elite talent at WR, we would be wasting their talent. I believe our WR coaching is lacking and also our offensive scheme doesn't help our WRs. When was the last time we completed a shallow cross route to a WR. I'll wait.....There is ZERO creativity in our passing game and WR route running. We're as bland as mormon underwear in that regard.
5) BYU had a bunch of white mormon dudes at CB playing tight man coverage on our WRs and they couldn't get separation. I know we have enough talent at WR to get open against their CBs. Their CBs were slightly better than average. Contrast that to our CBs who are constantly playing soft zone coverage (me banging my head) Why is this important? Because BYU CBs were disrupting the timing between our QB and WRs. Have I ever said how important that is?
6) I'm kind of surprised Avery with all his speed, has never ripped off a really long run from scrimmage for a TD. I've been waiting for an Ell Roberson type run and have yet to see it.
7) So here we are and we got what we got. We know what we are and where we are strong. Our competition knows it too. This is an offense that is highly dependent on "staying on schedule" and not "getting behind the chains". We have a GREAT running game and an average passing game.

In my opinion, we have a lot to play for. The first target and goal to reach is bowl eligibility. Get to 6 wins as fast as possible. The second target to reach is making the conference championship game. The 3rd is winning the conference championship. From there, go to the 12 team playoff. The coaching staff needs to break things down and segment the goals. Win each set of downs. Then focus on winning each possession. Win the quarter.

The coaching staff isn't innocent by any means in the wake of last night's debacle. After the late first half collapse, the game was still within reach, and we didn't play with any tempo when we were down. WTAF? We played with more tempo earlier in the game in the first with good success - iot helped keep the BYU crowd out of impacting the game. Had we come out of half time and put up a TD and 2 point conversion, the game would have been 24-14. BYU wasn't an offensive juggernaut. Close the game to within 10 and we could have still come back. But that first possession after half time was more of the same crap. No tempo, no plan. Just same crap. As Wild said in another thread, this was one of the every year vintage Chis Klieman WTF games.

The coaches have to use the BYU game as a serious teaching moment and as an example of how mistakes can compound if you don't play disciplined, smart football. Stay on schedule. Don't compound mistakes. At least we had one of our WTF games before we play OSU - which is one of our typical WTF games. Maybe we get things back on track next weekend.

We, AGAIN, are the only major program in America that can't get a WR room with studs in it. It's maddening. But if the QB can't get it to them anyway, I agree that we would just be wasting their talent. And THAT sums up our recruiting the position and we just can't get quality at WR.
And I like the summation of what we have to play for. But if this team somehow makes it into the playoff, I am afraid the score would be at , or worse, what everyone just saw in the thin air of Utah. Love me some #EMAW but also realistic about our place.
Hoping they can regroup and corral the Pokes. Go Cats!!