When I watch so many Kansas kids playing/starting at KState, Makes me proud. I think all the camps that the Cats hold in the summer are one of the biggest reasons. They are finding the athletes and offering them. Not sure what KU doing in that regard.stlcatfan wrote: ↑August 26th, 2024, 8:24 pmThat has to be frustrating for Kansas high school football coaches, although it seems like KU is at least starting to recruit more in-state now. They probably realize how successful it has been for K-State.WildcatEngineer wrote: ↑August 26th, 2024, 5:02 pmRemember the old joke "What do you call a Kansas High School Graduate on the Jayhawk Mens Basketball Team?" Ans: Walk On
Geez you can almost say the same thing for KU FB. Only 2 Kansas student athletes, starting.
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actually (see red below) it's not a surprise, mister chancellor. we have forecasted it for some time here.
more tater bucks needed.
KU gets surprise news on football stadium renovation; work on east side likely needs to begin sooner than thought
Future development around KU’s football stadium — currently undergoing a partial $450 million renovation to add a conference center and other amenities — has recently become more complicated.
Soon, local governments may be asked to ease some of those complications by providing financial incentives to the project at 11th and Mississippi streets.
“It is going to take the whole community to get this done,” KU Chancellor Douglas Girod told the Journal-World in a brief interview.
As a reminder, the development has been billed as KU’s Gateway Project. KU hopes to build around the stadium a hotel, restaurants and retail that will bring convention-goers and others to Lawrence to spend their money even when KU football isn’t playing a game.
The project is underway in a big way currently. The west side of David Booth Kansas Memorial Stadium was demolished, and is currently being rebuilt while KU plays its home football games in Kansas City. A conference center that will host events up to 1,000 people in size is being built in the northern end of the stadium.
What’s not happening, though, are any improvements to the east side of the stadium. The $448 million project is essentially just renovating half of the stadium, plus building the conference center.
Instead, KU had largely put the east renovation on pause, saying it had no timeline for completing that renovation, and acknowledged it didn’t have enough donor money or other funds to begin the project.
Rather, the next phase of the project has been focused on finding a private partner to build a hotel on the east side of the stadium to connect to the conference center. KU and other industry officials have said a hotel is critical to the success of the under-construction conference center.
Here’s where the new complication emerges: Developers have told KU that it is infeasible to build a hotel or anything else on the east side of the stadium until KU actually completes the stadium renovations on the east side.
“That is what we learned going through the process with developers,” Girod said. “I did not appreciate that until fairly recently. We can’t wait on the stadium because none of it can happen.”
The reason the renovation must happen first comes down to space. Renovation of the east side of the stadium will involve moving the grandstands 80 to 100 feet to the west, said Jeff DeWitt, KU’s chief financial officer, who also has been involved in the discussions. That extra 80 to 100 feet of space is what makes it feasible to build a hotel, retail, restaurants, parking and other amenities on the east side.
DeWitt said that was surprising news to KU officials.
“It didn’t enter my mind until the developer saw it,” DeWitt said.
Girod said the revelation has been pivotal.
“They said ‘you don’t understand. You can’t wait on (renovations) because none of this will happen,'” Girod said of recent conversations with an unnamed development group that KU is considering as a potential partner.
What comes next will be highly consequential as well. While KU has learned what it needs to do to have enough space to build the project, it is still working on what it needs to do to have enough money to build it.
No cost estimates have been announced for the east-side stadium renovations. Conceivably, it will be less than the $450 million on the west side because the west-side project includes the press box, luxury suites and the conference center. By the time you add a hotel, restaurants, retail and parking garages to the project, the east-side projects could be at or above the $450 million mark. KU is counting on a private development group — which it has not yet selected — to contribute heavily to the nonstadium portions of the project.
How much developers are actually willing to contribute to the project is unknown, and even then the question remains of how KU will come up with the funds to cover the stadium-specific costs. The west-side project is slated to be covered by a mix of gifts from donors and new debt that Kansas Athletics Inc. will add to its books. KU hasn’t yet said how much debt the athletics department will have to take on, but Girod previously has acknowledged it could be more than $100 million.
That’s why Girod said it’s likely that KU will seek financial assistance from local governments like the city of Lawrence and Douglas County, though he did not provide any details about what KU may seek.
“My suspicion is we are going to need some incentive work with the city and the county to figure that (financial) piece out,” Girod said. “We need to understand that better.”
Girod said a key point of figuring out the overall finances of the east-side project is related to whether the project should include a student housing component. Girod said university officials are leaning toward the idea that the Gateway Project should include a new building for student housing. That building likely would be a revenue generator for the project, producing millions of dollars in student housing fees.
Exactly how large and what type of student housing component should be included is what KU officials are now studying. DeWitt said he thinks KU housing officials will have answers to those questions by the end of the year.
However, there also are major parking questions to answer. The east side of the stadium currently houses the two largest lots for gameday parking. Some sort of parking garage is expected to play a role in replacing that lost parking. But where and how much are key details that still must be determined.
Additionally, KU must finalize an agreement with a private developer. Girod acknowledged KU has one proposal from a developer that it is “pretty excited about,” but the university has not entered into a contract with the unnamed company.
DeWitt said that spring is likely the earliest KU would announce next steps on the project, including ideas on financing and timing.
Girod said much work has to be done between now and then. With the news that the stadium renovations must proceed before other work can begin, he said there are multiple elements KU is actively working on: a hotel, retail, student housing, parking and the east-side stadium improvements.
“Really, it now has five elements to it, which adds significant complexity to it, but it is the right way to do it,” Girod said.
more tater bucks needed.
KU gets surprise news on football stadium renovation; work on east side likely needs to begin sooner than thought
Future development around KU’s football stadium — currently undergoing a partial $450 million renovation to add a conference center and other amenities — has recently become more complicated.
Soon, local governments may be asked to ease some of those complications by providing financial incentives to the project at 11th and Mississippi streets.
“It is going to take the whole community to get this done,” KU Chancellor Douglas Girod told the Journal-World in a brief interview.
As a reminder, the development has been billed as KU’s Gateway Project. KU hopes to build around the stadium a hotel, restaurants and retail that will bring convention-goers and others to Lawrence to spend their money even when KU football isn’t playing a game.
The project is underway in a big way currently. The west side of David Booth Kansas Memorial Stadium was demolished, and is currently being rebuilt while KU plays its home football games in Kansas City. A conference center that will host events up to 1,000 people in size is being built in the northern end of the stadium.
What’s not happening, though, are any improvements to the east side of the stadium. The $448 million project is essentially just renovating half of the stadium, plus building the conference center.
Instead, KU had largely put the east renovation on pause, saying it had no timeline for completing that renovation, and acknowledged it didn’t have enough donor money or other funds to begin the project.
Rather, the next phase of the project has been focused on finding a private partner to build a hotel on the east side of the stadium to connect to the conference center. KU and other industry officials have said a hotel is critical to the success of the under-construction conference center.
Here’s where the new complication emerges: Developers have told KU that it is infeasible to build a hotel or anything else on the east side of the stadium until KU actually completes the stadium renovations on the east side.
“That is what we learned going through the process with developers,” Girod said. “I did not appreciate that until fairly recently. We can’t wait on the stadium because none of it can happen.”
The reason the renovation must happen first comes down to space. Renovation of the east side of the stadium will involve moving the grandstands 80 to 100 feet to the west, said Jeff DeWitt, KU’s chief financial officer, who also has been involved in the discussions. That extra 80 to 100 feet of space is what makes it feasible to build a hotel, retail, restaurants, parking and other amenities on the east side.
DeWitt said that was surprising news to KU officials.
“It didn’t enter my mind until the developer saw it,” DeWitt said.
Girod said the revelation has been pivotal.
“They said ‘you don’t understand. You can’t wait on (renovations) because none of this will happen,'” Girod said of recent conversations with an unnamed development group that KU is considering as a potential partner.
What comes next will be highly consequential as well. While KU has learned what it needs to do to have enough space to build the project, it is still working on what it needs to do to have enough money to build it.
No cost estimates have been announced for the east-side stadium renovations. Conceivably, it will be less than the $450 million on the west side because the west-side project includes the press box, luxury suites and the conference center. By the time you add a hotel, restaurants, retail and parking garages to the project, the east-side projects could be at or above the $450 million mark. KU is counting on a private development group — which it has not yet selected — to contribute heavily to the nonstadium portions of the project.
How much developers are actually willing to contribute to the project is unknown, and even then the question remains of how KU will come up with the funds to cover the stadium-specific costs. The west-side project is slated to be covered by a mix of gifts from donors and new debt that Kansas Athletics Inc. will add to its books. KU hasn’t yet said how much debt the athletics department will have to take on, but Girod previously has acknowledged it could be more than $100 million.
That’s why Girod said it’s likely that KU will seek financial assistance from local governments like the city of Lawrence and Douglas County, though he did not provide any details about what KU may seek.
“My suspicion is we are going to need some incentive work with the city and the county to figure that (financial) piece out,” Girod said. “We need to understand that better.”
Girod said a key point of figuring out the overall finances of the east-side project is related to whether the project should include a student housing component. Girod said university officials are leaning toward the idea that the Gateway Project should include a new building for student housing. That building likely would be a revenue generator for the project, producing millions of dollars in student housing fees.
Exactly how large and what type of student housing component should be included is what KU officials are now studying. DeWitt said he thinks KU housing officials will have answers to those questions by the end of the year.
However, there also are major parking questions to answer. The east side of the stadium currently houses the two largest lots for gameday parking. Some sort of parking garage is expected to play a role in replacing that lost parking. But where and how much are key details that still must be determined.
Additionally, KU must finalize an agreement with a private developer. Girod acknowledged KU has one proposal from a developer that it is “pretty excited about,” but the university has not entered into a contract with the unnamed company.
DeWitt said that spring is likely the earliest KU would announce next steps on the project, including ideas on financing and timing.
Girod said much work has to be done between now and then. With the news that the stadium renovations must proceed before other work can begin, he said there are multiple elements KU is actively working on: a hotel, retail, student housing, parking and the east-side stadium improvements.
“Really, it now has five elements to it, which adds significant complexity to it, but it is the right way to do it,” Girod said.
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north corridor plan will include a hotel. i hope the university goes to the state for $100 million just to see the squawks' delegation and governor chock on their own chicken.
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EDGE OF THE FUTURE | A look at planned condos, hotel, restaurants near stadium
Megan Moser mmoser@themercury.com Sep 19, 2024 Updated 15 mins ago Comments
Things are happening on the Edge. The northern part of the K-State campus, known as the Campus Edge, will have a steakhouse, brewery, hotel, condos and park, according to new renderings.
Officials presented updated plans for the area last week at the Manhattan Area Chamber of Commerce Business After Hours event.
They said the goal is for the area along Kimball Avenue to become a “total package” where people can live, work and play.
The planned luxury condo building is called Champions Gate, and the K-State Foundation is already selling units, which begin at just under $500,000 for a two-bedroom unit and go up to over $1 million.
The six-story property will include 75 units, with two-, three- and four-bedroom floor plans.
Three- and four-bedroom penthouse suites come with up to 2,700 square feet of space and each include a balcony overlooking the stadium. The building will have underground parking.
In the same area will be a “prime” steakhouse, a “brewery with lots of local flavor” and a Brothers Coffee shop, which is a local company.
Plans also call for a pocket park, which will have artificial turf to look like a football field with an outdoor video screen, and an area for food trucks. And finally, there will be a “luxury hotel complex.”
All of that is planned for the area north of the west Bill Snyder Family Stadium parking lot, essentially the northeast corner of Kimball and College Avenue.
The development is just part of the plan for the Campus Edge, which is projected to have $2 billion in current and future infrastructure and $3 billion in economic investment and infrastructure by 2035, according to the K-State Foundation’s website.
It’s difficult even to list all the development recently completed, underway and in planning stages for the North Campus Corridor.
There’s the K-State Research Park along Manhattan Avenue, which includes the Kansas Department of Agriculture and Stormont Vail Health building; then to the west, there’s the Biodefense Hub, anchored by the National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility.
North of those is what officials are calling the Animal Science Gateway. K-State’s Purebred Beef Unit and the Stanley Stout Center are in this area.
West of that, across Denison Avenue, is the K-State Office Park, including the K-State Foundation, and further west is envisioned as the Advance Bio Ag Innovation Hub, where the Kansas Wheat Commission and K-State agronomy building are.
The Manhattan city government recently finished road improvements on Kimball Avenue after months of construction, and that arterial is expected to support 5,000 jobs in Manhattan over the next 20 years, according to city government documents.
Ultimately, officials plan to build a pedestrian bridge over Kimball that will allow K-State fans to walk to the stadium and other events more easily.
Megan Moser mmoser@themercury.com Sep 19, 2024 Updated 15 mins ago Comments
Things are happening on the Edge. The northern part of the K-State campus, known as the Campus Edge, will have a steakhouse, brewery, hotel, condos and park, according to new renderings.
Officials presented updated plans for the area last week at the Manhattan Area Chamber of Commerce Business After Hours event.
They said the goal is for the area along Kimball Avenue to become a “total package” where people can live, work and play.
The planned luxury condo building is called Champions Gate, and the K-State Foundation is already selling units, which begin at just under $500,000 for a two-bedroom unit and go up to over $1 million.
The six-story property will include 75 units, with two-, three- and four-bedroom floor plans.
Three- and four-bedroom penthouse suites come with up to 2,700 square feet of space and each include a balcony overlooking the stadium. The building will have underground parking.
In the same area will be a “prime” steakhouse, a “brewery with lots of local flavor” and a Brothers Coffee shop, which is a local company.
Plans also call for a pocket park, which will have artificial turf to look like a football field with an outdoor video screen, and an area for food trucks. And finally, there will be a “luxury hotel complex.”
All of that is planned for the area north of the west Bill Snyder Family Stadium parking lot, essentially the northeast corner of Kimball and College Avenue.
The development is just part of the plan for the Campus Edge, which is projected to have $2 billion in current and future infrastructure and $3 billion in economic investment and infrastructure by 2035, according to the K-State Foundation’s website.
It’s difficult even to list all the development recently completed, underway and in planning stages for the North Campus Corridor.
There’s the K-State Research Park along Manhattan Avenue, which includes the Kansas Department of Agriculture and Stormont Vail Health building; then to the west, there’s the Biodefense Hub, anchored by the National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility.
North of those is what officials are calling the Animal Science Gateway. K-State’s Purebred Beef Unit and the Stanley Stout Center are in this area.
West of that, across Denison Avenue, is the K-State Office Park, including the K-State Foundation, and further west is envisioned as the Advance Bio Ag Innovation Hub, where the Kansas Wheat Commission and K-State agronomy building are.
The Manhattan city government recently finished road improvements on Kimball Avenue after months of construction, and that arterial is expected to support 5,000 jobs in Manhattan over the next 20 years, according to city government documents.
Ultimately, officials plan to build a pedestrian bridge over Kimball that will allow K-State fans to walk to the stadium and other events more easily.
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These buildings will undoubtedly be nice and luxurious, and a boon to Manhattan, but I would have preferred that the space be reserved for future educational needs. Such space is limited.
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new ag building is under construction now at mid-campus. also, across kimbell to the north of nbaf is the new equestrian arena under construction. i believe the state granted $25 million to the latter, not sure about the ag building.ToledoCat#3 wrote: ↑September 19th, 2024, 4:03 pmThese buildings will undoubtedly be nice and luxurious, and a boon to Manhattan, but I would have preferred that the space be reserved for future educational needs. Such space is limited.
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squawk posts on this whole booth stadium matter run the course from obtuse to delusional.
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I do think they wanted the hotel as conference centers usually aren't successful without a hotel.
But again, if KU knew that they couldn't do that, then this is all for show. Oh no, we can't do all those things unless we finish. Now we have to use some endowment funds or get the city to help, etc wink wink ; )
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2010Hawks said... (original post) Ahh that makes more sense. So why the surprise/sense of urgency? Did they want to do the hotel etc before the east side even though they were bot...
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I do think they wanted the hotel as conference centers usually aren't successful without a hotel.
But again, if KU knew that they couldn't do that, then this is all for show. Oh no, we can't do all those things unless we finish. Now we have to use some endowment funds or get the city to help, etc wink wink ; )
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i guess econ 101 isn't a popular take at ku. 
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Why don't they just add a dollar to every purchase in Lawrence KS until they have the money. I would imagine that would raise the money pretty quick.
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Why don't they just add a dollar to every purchase in Lawrence KS until they have the money. I would imagine that would raise the money pretty quick.
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Maybe I am thinking of the wrong place, but at the northeast corner of College Avenue and Kimball, aren't there agronomy research fields? I've seen small fields of corn, soy beans, and sunflowers growing around there.ToledoCat#3 wrote: ↑September 19th, 2024, 4:03 pmThese buildings will undoubtedly be nice and luxurious, and a boon to Manhattan, but I would have preferred that the space be reserved for future educational needs. Such space is limited.
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yes, those fields will be turned to brick and mortar buildings supporting the foundation and athletics. it's always a battle between commercialization and research around universities. wake forest is doing a similar project by the way: https://www.visitthegrounds.com/ baylor built their arena with city funds. oklahoma is doing it as well.stlcatfan wrote: ↑September 19th, 2024, 5:43 pmMaybe I am thinking of the wrong place, but at the northeast corner of College Avenue and Kimball, aren't there agronomy research fields? I've seen small fields of corn, soy beans, and sunflowers growing around there.ToledoCat#3 wrote: ↑September 19th, 2024, 4:03 pmThese buildings will undoubtedly be nice and luxurious, and a boon to Manhattan, but I would have preferred that the space be reserved for future educational needs. Such space is limited.
and of course, lil bro has their commercial piece to renovating booth memorial stadium. as i've written before either ku has had bafflingly poor planning or exquisite execution in funding theirs. i'm not sure which is the case. it's hard to believe they waited this long to start. then they went to the kansas government feed trough in the name of economic development to get $85 million. then to their foundation for another boatload in the form of funding guarantees. and now they are looking to the city and county, which i believe will be a tough get given the status of local budgets. it certainly would be here - manhattan is financially strapped. i'm sure lawrence is little different.
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