here we go again ...

[AJcat7755]

And don't forget about the Big 8 schools that once belonged to the Missouri Valley Conference. I believe the rest were already part of the Big 6, which was originally known as the Missouri Valley Intercollegiate Athletic Association (not to be confused the the Missouri Valley Conference). CU came over from the Mountain States Conference and we became the Big 7. oSu joined (actually rejoined) the conference in 1957 to make us the Big 8. Of course, UT, A&M, BU, and TCU were from the former SWC (didn't OU belong to the SWC at one point?). I think we got our start in the Kansas Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (I believe that was what it was called) before joining the MVIAA.

Point being, schools changing conferences and the renaming of conferences has been going on for more than a century. This is nothing new. I think the current version of the Big 12 will be a good one. The four schools we added will be solid additions, with possibly more to come.

I am excited about the future. Given our situation, this was probably the best we could hope for.

However, going back to my original statement that started this discussion: 12 out of 14 new AAC is old CUSA. The only similar example I can think of is the current MWC is mostly old WAC. Typically, a new conference consists of members that come from different conferences. (In fact, I think Tx Tech was also in a different conference originally with AZ schools)

History of the conference:

1907 - KU, MU, NU, Washington (St. Louis), Iowa form the MVIAA
1908 - Drake and Iowa Agricultural (ISU) join
1911 - Iowa leaves
1913 - Kansas State joins
1918 - NU leaves
1919 - Grinnell joins
1920 - Oklahoma joins, NU rejoins
1925 - Oklahoma A&M (OSU) joins
1928 - Conference splits up with Drake, Grinnell and Washington leaving with OSU to form the Missouri Valley. Big 6 is unofficially formed
1947 - CU joins. Big 7 is unofficially formed
1957 - Oklahoma A&M (OSU) rejoins and the Big 8 is officially born
..... many years go by
1996 - Texas A&M, Texas, Baylor and TTU join from the SWC conference and the Big 12 is born
2011 - CU leaves for the Pac 12, NU leaves for the Big 10
2012 - MU and Texas A&M leave for the SEC. TCU joins from the MWC. WVU joins from the Big East
2023 - OU and UT leave for the SEC. BYU joins from independent, Houston, UCF and Cincinnati join from the AAC

Depending on where you want to start from, most teams came from somewhere else. Looking at the 2023 conference:

If you start from the MVIAA days, only KU is an original member.
If you start from the Big 6 days, only KU, KSU, ISU are original members
If you start from the Big 8 days, only KU, KSU, ISU and OSU are original members

The Big 8 is probably where I start, so in that case, looking at the conference in 2023
4 original Big 8 members
2 former SWC members
1 former independent
1 former Big East
1 former MWC
3 former AAC

TCUs path:
1903 - 1922 - Independent
1923 - 1995 - SWC
1996 - 2000 - WAC
2001 - 2003 - CUSA
2005 - 2011 - MWC
2012 - current - Big 12

WVU's path:
1909 - 1949 - Independent
1950 - 1967 - Southern
1968 - 1990 - Independent
1991 - 2011 - Big East
2012 - current - Big 12

BYU's path:
1922 - 1937 - RMC
1938 - 1947 - MSAC
1948 - 1961 - Skyline
1962 - 1998 - WAC
1999 - 2010 - MWC
2011 - 2022 - Independent
2023 - Big 12

Cincinnati's path:
1954 - 1956 - Independent
1957 - 1969 - MVC
1970 - 1995 - Independent
1996 - 2004 - CUSA
2005 - 2012 - Big East
2013 - 2022 - AAC
2023 - Big 12

UCF's path:
1996 - 2001 - Independent
2002 - 2004 - MAC
2005 - 2012 - CUSA
2013 - 2022 - AAC
2023 - Big 12

[bshea85]

History of the conference:

1907 - KU, MU, NU, Washington (St. Louis), Iowa form the MVIAA
1908 - Drake and Iowa Agricultural (ISU) join
1911 - Iowa leaves
1913 - Kansas State joins
1918 - NU leaves
1919 - Grinnell joins. Oklahoma and St. Louis apply, but not approved to join
1920 - Oklahoma joins, NU rejoins
1925 - Oklahoma A&M (OSU) joins
1928 - Conference splits up with Drake, Grinnell and Washington leaving with Oklahoma A&M (OSU) to form the Missouri Valley. Big 6 is unofficially formed
1947 - CU joins. Big 7 is unofficially formed
1957 - Oklahoma A&M (OSU) rejoins and the Big 8 is officially born
..... many years go by
1996 - Texas A&M, Texas, Baylor and TTU join from the SWC conference and the Big 12 is born
2011 - CU leaves for the Pac 12, NU leaves for the Big 10
2012 - MU and Texas A&M leave for the SEC. TCU joins from the MWC. WVU joins from the Big East
2023 - OU and UT leave for the SEC. BYU joins from independent, Houston, UCF and Cincinnati join from the AAC

Depending on where you want to start from, most teams came from somewhere else. Looking at the 2023 conference:

If you start from the MVIAA days, only KU is an original member.
If you start from the Big 6 days, only KU, KSU, ISU are original members
If you start from the Big 8 days, only KU, KSU, ISU and OSU are original members

The Big 8 is probably where I start, so in that case, looking at the conference in 2023
4 original Big 8 members
2 former SWC members
1 former independent
1 former Big East
1 former MWC
3 former AAC

Yep! And give it about 5-10 years before the BXII splits up again or invites more. Heck, NU likes to jump in and out.... maybe they'd come back?

[stlcatfan]

History of the conference:

1907 - KU, MU, NU, Washington (St. Louis), Iowa form the MVIAA
1908 - Drake and Iowa Agricultural (ISU) join
1911 - Iowa leaves
1913 - Kansas State joins
1918 - NU leaves
1919 - Grinnell joins. Oklahoma and St. Louis apply, but not approved to join
1920 - Oklahoma joins, NU rejoins
1925 - Oklahoma A&M (OSU) joins
1928 - Conference splits up with Drake, Grinnell and Washington leaving with Oklahoma A&M (OSU) to form the Missouri Valley. Big 6 is unofficially formed
1947 - CU joins. Big 7 is unofficially formed
1957 - Oklahoma A&M (OSU) rejoins and the Big 8 is officially born
..... many years go by
1996 - Texas A&M, Texas, Baylor and TTU join from the SWC conference and the Big 12 is born
2011 - CU leaves for the Pac 12, NU leaves for the Big 10
2012 - MU and Texas A&M leave for the SEC. TCU joins from the MWC. WVU joins from the Big East
2023 - OU and UT leave for the SEC. BYU joins from independent, Houston, UCF and Cincinnati join from the AAC

Depending on where you want to start from, most teams came from somewhere else. Looking at the 2023 conference:

If you start from the MVIAA days, only KU is an original member.
If you start from the Big 6 days, only KU, KSU, ISU are original members
If you start from the Big 8 days, only KU, KSU, ISU and OSU are original members

The Big 8 is probably where I start, so in that case, looking at the conference in 2023
4 original Big 8 members
2 former SWC members
1 former independent
1 former Big East
1 former MWC
3 former AAC

Yep! And give it about 5-10 years before the BXII splits up again or invites more. Heck, NU likes to jump in and out.... maybe they'd come back?

I'm thinking the same thing. Right now, it looks like the Big Ten and SEC are setting themselves up to be the two top conferences, with the Big 12, Pac-12, and ACC on the rung below them and the G5 conferences on the lowest rung of the FBS schools.

[rajstat]

Yep: this is the current hierarchy (with all new alignments):

Tier 1: SEC, BIG 10 (Football: SEC, Basketball: Big 10, Education: Big 10)

Tier 2: ACC, PAC, BIG 12 (Football: BIG 12, at least this year; Basketball: ACC & BIG 12; Olympic sports: PAC; Education: PAC)

Tier 3a: MWC
Tier 3b: AAC, SBC

Tier 4: MAC

[rajstat]

MAC is now playing ball and getting ready to invite Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee State. In the past, I have driven through this corridor (Gulf Coast to Midwest) and Bowling Green, KY seemed kind of a transition between a midwestern town and a southern one. So, obviously not exactly in a MAC footprint, but close enough.

This leaves UTEP, La Tech and FIU in C-USA (if everything goes according to the plan). It would be very difficult to get 5 new schools to join. Incidentally, there are 5 independents left (UMass, UConn, Liberty, Army and NMSU). So, 8 independents (in FB) with some collaboration could work for a short period of time.

[Nolaeer]

New Big 12 will be salty in football. Texas would be lucky to win the new big 12 once every 4-5 years.
WVU, BYU, and others have a winning record against Texas.

New Big 12 will be the best basketball conference. It would have been the best basketball conference the past 6 seasons in a row. Source: Pomeroy

[wild@nite]

New Big 12 will be salty in football. Texas would be lucky to win the new big 12 once every 4-5 years.
WVU, BYU, and others have a winning record against Texas.

New Big 12 will be the best basketball conference. It would have been the best basketball conference the past 6 seasons in a row. Source: Pomeroy

That's being very kind. They've only won it 3 times in 25 years. They are, without a doubt, the most overrated program in the country, year in and year out. Everybody says, "They're not going to be very good in the SEC." No joke, they haven't been very good in the Big 12 as of late either. Most of their damage was done in the 1st 10 years of being in the conference. In the last 10 years they are 49-38 in conference. Unless my math is off, that is our record in conference in the last 10 years as well, and we have been very average since 2016.

[rajstat]

New Big 12 will be salty in football. Texas would be lucky to win the new big 12 once every 4-5 years.
WVU, BYU, and others have a winning record against Texas.

New Big 12 will be the best basketball conference. It would have been the best basketball conference the past 6 seasons in a row. Source: Pomeroy

That's being very kind. They've only won it 3 times in 25 years. They are, without a doubt, the most overrated program in the country, year in and year out. Everybody says, "They're not going to be very good in the SEC." No joke, they haven't been very good in the Big 12 as of late either. Most of their damage was done in the 1st 10 years of being in the conference. In the last 10 years they are 49-38 in conference. Unless my math is off, that is our record in conference in the last 10 years as well, and we have been very average since 2016.

Texas, USC and ND.

Holy trinity of "overrated".
It feels like we are perpetually stuck in early 2000s when these schools were really good and after that we decided, yeah they would be great every year.

(granted, interest in college football is diminishing ever since. 2000-10 probably was the best in terms of fan interest in CFB)

[tmcats]

you're close, raj. you fit your narrative with your own facts but fail somewhat by forgetting ou, nubs, and others. here are the actual facts. your penance, my son, is one rosary yielding a plenary indulgence for misuse of the 'holy trinity.'

http://preseason.stassen.com/over-under/all-teams.html

[rajstat]

you're close, raj. you fit your narrative with your own facts but fail somewhat by forgetting ou, nubs, and others. here are the actual facts. your penance, my son, is one rosary yielding a plenary indulgence for misuse of the 'holy trinity.'

http://preseason.stassen.com/over-under/all-teams.html

Unholy trinity. I stand corrected.

It looks like the third one is Florida State (by a whisker over Michigan !).

OU, Nubs, ND and LSU should be in the next tier.