one-time transfer approved ...

[bigdeal]

So you're saying the guys who are overrated coming out of high school and don't get PT at the "blue bloods" will transfer to other schools. Of course, what we have seen also, are players who turn to be better than thought leaving their schools, even with plenty of playing time, and going to the big name schools. Sorry, this just enables the big names to lose their iffy recruits and replace them with proven talent. Add in PIL and they can sell that, as well. Welcome free agency to college sports. It has been shown to ruin competitive balance when employed without a salary cap, and will likely do so to college sports as well...and I know the KU method has already messed with that balance over the past x number of years, but now this comes along just as we are waiting to see if the NCAA is going to sanction cheating or place program crippling penalties on KU, etc.

[katlander]

I am not a fan of this new rule but the landscape has changed and we will be forced to adapt. I can see a dominant program like Alabama or Clemson using this new rule to fill holes in their lineup with the selling points of more pro exposure and a chance to compete for a national title. They could easily cherry pick star players from other programs.

[tmcats]

the reverse is also true, k-state picking off iowa, louisville, minnesota, nebraska, illinois, uni, or other program recruits who for whatever reason want a new start. this is a net win for k-state. alabama isn't going to be raiding manhattan for talent.

[katlander]

I agree. we will get second chances on guys who overlooked us out of high school. We have already seen this work for us. In Snyder 2.0 we landed Chris Harper, Broderick Smith, and the Brown brothers among others. They were recruited to fill holes. Not sure why we did not continue to exploit this option. They left Kansas for what they thought were better options but were ready to come home where there talent level was highly valued. I really think this could work for us and am glad to see Coach K embracing this opportunity.

[AJcat7755]

the reverse is also true, k-state picking off iowa, louisville, minnesota, nebraska, illinois, uni, or other program recruits who for whatever reason want a new start. this is a net win for k-state. alabama isn't going to be raiding manhattan for talent.

This.

It may happen, in 1 out of 100 transfers, that a KSU player leaves for a blue blood, but being realistic, why would they take a KSU player, no matter how good, that already has years on him when they can get the next 5* stud put of HS? But on the flip side, KSU will get both players moving up (like from Charlotte) as well as players from similar P5 programs (like Iowa). And KSU will get players like Arthur Brown types coming to KSU because they were buried on a blue blood depth chart.

Sure, KSU players will leave, but as history shows, they generally go down a level, or division. So is it that much of a loss to lose them if that's the level they can be successful at?

[katlander]

Just wondering if contacting players at other schools regarding transferring is allowed? Can we target a guy who we feel would fill a need at KSU and try to persuade him to transfer or do we have to wait until we see the name in the portal?

[tmcats]

Just wondering if contacting players at other schools regarding transferring is allowed? Can we target a guy who we feel would fill a need at KSU and try to persuade him to transfer or do we have to wait until we see the name in the portal?

Coaches can contact current student-athletes once they are listed in the transfer portal if the student has not activated the “do not contact” indicator. ncaa

[bigdeal]

I am going to assume these type of transfers will be a wash over time. "k-state picking off iowa, louisville, minnesota, nebraska, illinois, uni, or other program recruits who for whatever reason want a new start.". Lower level guys moving up while our upper level guys are targeted by programs with more exposure and $$$ does not sound like a positive. We are not in a fertile recruiting area so the Arthur Browns wanting to come home are likely fewer than the kids from Texas, etc. who might also decide to "go home". Scenario:. K-State recruits kid from Texas who is a 3 star kid and he blows up in year 1. Texas coach has a position of need this kid fills. He is already a known commodity. UT coach tells asst to find player on their team that kid knows, and has him tell KSU player about the additional $$ he can get in PIL at the school, in addition to playing for the home school and, of course, having an X-Box in the toilet stalls or whatever the latest extra they can buy at the school. Kid thanks K-State and is off to Texas. KSU tries to replace him by hopefully finding another 3 star kid that might blow up (or not) or through a UNI transfer. Sound like a winning scenario for KSU?

[tmcats]

your take is not supported by anything other than worst-case supposition, the other side is supported by what has already happened.

[AJcat7755]

I am going to assume these type of transfers will be a wash over time. "k-state picking off iowa, louisville, minnesota, nebraska, illinois, uni, or other program recruits who for whatever reason want a new start.". Lower level guys moving up while our upper level guys are targeted by programs with more exposure and $$$ does not sound like a positive. We are not in a fertile recruiting area so the Arthur Browns wanting to come home are likely fewer than the kids from Texas, etc. who might also decide to "go home". Scenario:. K-State recruits kid from Texas who is a 3 star kid and he blows up in year 1. Texas coach has a position of need this kid fills. He is already a known commodity. UT coach tells asst to find player on their team that kid knows, and has him tell KSU player about the additional $$ he can get in PIL at the school, in addition to playing for the home school and, of course, having an X-Box in the toilet stalls or whatever the latest extra they can buy at the school. Kid thanks K-State and is off to Texas. KSU tries to replace him by hopefully finding another 3 star kid that might blow up (or not) or through a UNI transfer. Sound like a winning scenario for KSU?

One reason why players are rated what they are out of HS is their physical measurables. No matter how much a player blows up, it won't change that significantly. Texas is not going to go after a KSU player, even if they blow up, because the ceiling is still going to be limited due to physical measurements compared to Texas just getting the next 5 star player right out of HS that has more eligibility left. Texas isn't going to go after a 3* HS recruit that blew up at KSU with limited eligibility left when UT can get the next stud right out of HS that can start as a freshman with NFL potential.

For example, As good as Wyatt Hubert was at KSU, Texas can instead get Jacoby Jones, a 4* JUCO or 4* Vernon Broughton with higher potential. Although it was harder to transfer, players still could, and name a KSU player in the past the blew up and transferred up. Very little KSU transfers even went to a parallel P5 school.