Final Straw

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Re: Final Straw

Post by KITNooga » August 11th, 2020, 7:18 am

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What environment will these young men be returning to if CFB is called off? I’d argue that many, if not most, would be safer under the controlled environment offered by CFB. There is no easy answer. Anyone who contracts Covid is at significant risk, wherever that may be.
That's honestly a great response and one Frost is making at Neb. They are getting tested regularly, being isolated, and receiving the very best care if they do get the virus. The same can't be said when a lot of these kids go back home. We saw how many contracted Covid at home, once they came back from summer break, and the same will happen if season is cancelled or postponed. Truth is, the players are probably safest were they are right now(as a whole).

The biggest problem is liability right now. With all the resources the conferences have, there is surely a way around this that works for everybody.

look, never let the hype, man, get in the way of intelligent approach. one cogent argument for resuming school is that nutritional programs, 'other eyes' n those who may be at risk for domestic violence, etc is better supported with school IN session. that college athletes have access to in some cases better healthcare, nutrition and monitoring while IN school and ON campus? that going to factor in at all?

if schools decide not to play, that's a decision we need to accept. but those athletes, students still need to be on campus...although, most won't want to because 'parties' are likely a casualty of this as well.
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Post by Hypeman » August 11th, 2020, 8:18 am

Ozarkcat wrote:
August 11th, 2020, 6:04 am
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Exactly! These kids aren’t going home. They aren’t losing their scholarship. They are staying in school (presumably) where there are social distancing protocols, masks, and most importantly, no full-contact activities, like every other student. And likely, an extra year of free scholarship! If it isn’t safe, why are other students moving onto campus?
If they're still playing football, there's at least some incentive to follow China virus prevention protocols. If football no longer is an option, they'll resort to the usual "extra curricular" college activities, which will be MUCH more risky. Furthermore, if the situation surrounding the China virus is bad enough to call off football, colleges will probably be returning to virtual classrooms, which mean these kids will return home.
Classes are not ‘full-contact’ and everyone is required to wear protective gear. Football on the other hand, does not require protection and requires full contact.

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Post by PurpleOnWhite » August 11th, 2020, 8:30 am

If CFB isn’t played this fall, I would expect a very significant reduction (larger than what is likely happening now) in college attendance. There would certainly be a fair number of in-person classes if CFB is played, possibly far fewer if it Isn’t. The entire (broken) college model was already in trouble for a variety of reasons. It seems it may get much worse quickly.

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Post by Hypeman » August 11th, 2020, 8:49 am

PurpleOnWhite wrote:
August 11th, 2020, 8:30 am
If CFB isn’t played this fall, I would expect a very significant reduction (larger than what is likely happening now) in college attendance. There would certainly be a fair number of in-person classes if CFB is played, possibly far fewer if it Isn’t. The entire (broken) college model was already in trouble for a variety of reasons. It seems it may get much worse quickly.
It will be interesting to see. I don’t doubt schools like KSU might see some decline while schools like UMKC or Emporia State etc might get an uptick in undergrad enrollment. Just a hunch. However, we might also see that it doesn’t make much difference as the majority of students might be more interested in a degree and future job over watching a few football games. There was plenty of actual research to show that the so-called Flutie Effect is bunk.

The scary part for CFB is that people may become used to no football and find other things to do. This might result in further attendance declines like on the west coast where people just have a lot more to do and football isn’t the main form of entertainment.

This might be and interesting case study.

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Post by bigpurpleman » August 11th, 2020, 8:57 am

Uh oh. Also associated with the common cold. We need to cancel team sports permanently until the cure for a cold is found. And don't get mono either.
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Post by wild@nite » August 11th, 2020, 9:50 am

Hopefully, this is a wake up call for Universities as far as the over emphasis on football and under emphasis on useful curriculum and keeping costs down. The first two years of college (at ALOT of 4 year schools) is a complete sham. Students know that, yet have to jump through that hoop to get their degree and many, such as myself and my children, incur thousands of dollars of debt that would be much lower if the training wasn't put off until year 3.
The Tech schools will have and will continue to put a huge chink in the armor of 4 year schools like KState, KU, etc... if they dont change to fit the times and adjust curriculum and lower costs.

Bringing football (and basketball) back to earth would be a good start. They were both getting too big for their britches. I, for one, see all of this as a possible positive thing for the future if the right people are paying attention.
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Post by Ozarkcat » August 13th, 2020, 10:14 am

Hypeman wrote:
August 11th, 2020, 8:18 am
Ozarkcat wrote:
August 11th, 2020, 6:04 am


If they're still playing football, there's at least some incentive to follow China virus prevention protocols. If football no longer is an option, they'll resort to the usual "extra curricular" college activities, which will be MUCH more risky. Furthermore, if the situation surrounding the China virus is bad enough to call off football, colleges will probably be returning to virtual classrooms, which mean these kids will return home.
Classes are not ‘full-contact’ and everyone is required to wear protective gear. Football on the other hand, does not require protection and requires full contact.
If a college student contracts C-19, it's likely going to be from activities "outside" campus or the football field.....it'll be in bars, house parties, etc.

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Post by tmcats » August 13th, 2020, 10:27 am

there's a reasonable argument that these athletes are better placed in the program than out due to resources like doctors, testing, etc available to them inside. i might also add that they have a brotherhood discipline inside that doesn't exist outside the program. so, as long as we don't see a spike, i'm good with moving as the b12, acc, and sec are toward kickoff.

the b10 and p12 made a huge error. they abandon the process before the fact and left their coaches, players, and fans in a lurch. if the other three play, this will have long-term consequences particularly on the p12. and it may very well led to another round of conference realignment. obviously, nebraska is in play.
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Post by Hypeman » August 14th, 2020, 5:26 pm

The protocols for other students on campus are much safer than playing football. The protocols call for masks and 6 foot distancing. Much fear on campuses about football players spreading the virus and shutting the entire places down.

FSU news is the latest of athletic department shenanigans, Syracuse and Pitt Players boycott, latest news is major outbreaks at UNC and Notre Dame. This may not last long at all. I suspect the ACC will be done soon. Funny nobody in the big 12 or SEC are getting Covid.

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Post by stlcatfan » August 14th, 2020, 6:11 pm

Hypeman wrote:
August 14th, 2020, 5:26 pm
The protocols for other students on campus are much safer than playing football. The protocols call for masks and 6 foot distancing. Much fear on campuses about football players spreading the virus and shutting the entire places down.

FSU news is the latest of athletic department shenanigans, Syracuse and Pitt Players boycott, latest news is major outbreaks at UNC and Notre Dame. This may not last long at all. I suspect the ACC will be done soon. Funny nobody in the big 12 or SEC are getting Covid.
For all of the #WeAreUnited talk from the players, they seem to be all over the place in regard to playing this fall. Several Pac-12 players were making demands and saying they were being exploited and not wanting to be lab rats. Then conferences start cancelling fall sports and all of a sudden there was a #WeWantToPlay movement from the players. Which is it, fellas?
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